iamshack Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 12:44 PM) For the third time... as I have posted, there are exceptions. Those are superstar players. Since its obvious you are just going to go to the extremes on this, missing the general point, there isn't much purpose discussing it with you further. Well, first of all, I stated that the owners knew "in the vast majority" of cases. I'm not trying to argue that all owners knew that players lesser in stature were doing steroids. But the superstars and mvp's are what this is all about. They are the ones who bring in the money. And to the original point, I would assume most owners would not seek to revoke contracts for minor players who don't make much money. If you're talking about what makes this entire scandal newsworthy, it's that Roger Clemens, Albert Pujols, Jason Giambi, Johnny Damon, Andy Petitte, etc., were using performance-enhancing drugs. Sammy Sosa, Mark McGuire, Barry Bonds, etc., these are the guys that have made individual owners, and the owners collectively, a LOT of money throughout the past 10 years or so. And to claim their ownership was not entirely aware of what was going on seems absolutely naive to me. Secondly, obviously I did not have factual information within my possession which stated these players had clinically tested positively for steroids. But there was enough information available both through investigative reporting, criminal investigations, on-field performance, and the plain physical appearance of some of these players which made it blatantly obvious that something was not right. Did I know whether Barry Bonds was using conventional steroids or designer HGH such as "the clear and the cream"? No. I did not (well, not until "Game of Shadows" was published). But it was obvious to even the most casual of fan that certain players were taking some kind of unnatural performance enhancer. Thirdly, the owners, GM's, Managers, high-level executives certainly had the wherewithall to find the answers to these questions, or acquire "proof" so they could "know" exactly what was going on. Do you mean to argue that these people, being that their livelihood is their baseball team, did not ask others "what the hell is going on here?" Why are these players suddenly obliterating their career norms, sometimes at advanced ages? Why are we seeing so many home runs hit? You don't think they would inquire as to what was happening? Why this was happening? I just don't believe that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 02:11 PM) Brian Roberts Brian Roberts is an infielder who has played for the Baltimore Orioles since 2001. He has been selected to two All-Star teams. Roberts and Larry Bigbie were both rookies in 2001. According to Bigbie, both he and Roberts lived in Segui’s house in the Baltimore area during the latter part of that season. When Bigbie and Segui used steroids in the house, Roberts did not participate. According to Bigbie, however, in 2004 Roberts admitted to him that he had injected himself once or twice with steroids in 2003. Until this admission, Bigbie had never suspected Roberts of using steroids. In order to provide Roberts with information about these allegations and to give him an opportunity to respond, I asked him to meet with me; he declined. interesting to see how guys like bigbie who "ratted out" guys like roberts will be treated from here on out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(daa84 @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 11:13 AM) interesting to see how guys like bigbie who "ratted out" guys like roberts will be treated from here on out Once we get guys like Roberts out of the game, these guys will be recognized as the good guys of this era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 13, 2007 Author Share Posted December 13, 2007 This report is insanely awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Mo Vaughn wrote a few checks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 reading the clemens thing....this is pretty concrete evidence of steroid use if you ask me .....no hall for him i suspect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Lo Duca is like a steroids mastermind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Clemens stuff starts on page 167...I'll post it here for those too lazy to go read it...but it's easier to read in the report Roger Clemens Roger Clemens is a pitcher who, from 1984 to 2007, played for four teams in Major League Baseball, the Boston Red Sox (13 seasons), Toronto Blue Jays (2 seasons), New York Yankees (6 seasons), and Houston Astros (3 seasons). He has won more than 350 games, seven Cy Young Awards, and was the American League Most Valuable Player in 1986. He was named to All-Star teams eleven times. During the Radomski investigation, federal law enforcement officials identified Brian McNamee as one of Radomski’s customers and a possible sub-distributor. McNamee, through his attorney, entered into a written agreement with the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Northern District of California. The agreement provides that McNamee will cooperate with the U.S. Attorney’s Office. No truthful statements can be used against McNamee in any federal prosecution by that Office; if, however, he should be untruthful in any statements made pursuant to that agreement, he may be charged with criminal violations, including making false statements, which is a felony. As part of his cooperation with the U.S. Attorney’s Office, and at its request, McNamee agreed to three interviews by me and my staff, one in person and two by telephone. McNamee’s personal lawyer participated in the interviews. Also participating were federal prosecutors and agents from the F.B.I. and the Internal Revenue Service. On each occasion, 168 McNamee was advised that he could face criminal charges if he made any false statements during these interviews, which were deemed by the prosecutors to be subject to his written agreement with the U.S. Attorney’s Office. McNamee attended St. John’s University in New York from 1985 to 1989, majoring in athletic administration. At St. John’s, he played baseball. From 1990 to May 1993, he was a New York City police officer. In 1993, McNamee met Tim McCleary, the assistant general manager of the New York Yankees, who also had attended St. John’s. McCleary hired McNamee as a bullpen catcher and batting practice pitcher for the New York Yankees. In 1995, McNamee was released from his duties after Joe Torre was named the new Yankees manager. From 1995 to 1998, McNamee trained “Olympic caliber athletes” outside of baseball. In 1995, McCleary was hired as the assistant general manager for the Toronto Blue Jays. In 1998, that club hired McNamee as its strength and conditioning coach, and he served in that position from 1998 to 2000. Roger Clemens signed with Toronto in 1997, after spending the first thirteen years of his career with the Red Sox. After McNamee began working for the Blue Jays in 1998, he and Clemens both lived at the Toronto SkyDome (there is a hotel attached to the stadium). McNamee and Clemens became close professionally while in Toronto, but they were not close socially or personally. Jose Canseco was playing for the Blue Jays in 1998. On or about June 8-10, 1998, the Toronto Blue Jays played an away series with the Florida Marlins. McNamee attended a lunch party that Canseco hosted at his home in Miami. McNamee stated that, during this luncheon, he observed Clemens, Canseco, and another person he did not know meeting inside 169 Canseco’s house, although McNamee did not personally attend that meeting. Canseco told members of my investigative staff that he had numerous conversations with Clemens about the benefits of Deca-Durabolin and Winstrol and how to “cycle” and “stack” steroids. Canseco has made similar statements publicly.385 Toward the end of the road trip which included the Marlins series, or shortly after the Blue Jays returned home to Toronto, Clemens approached McNamee and, for the first time, brought up the subject of using steroids. Clemens said that he was not able to inject himself, and he asked for McNamee’s help. Later that summer, Clemens asked McNamee to inject him with Winstrol, which Clemens supplied. McNamee knew the substance was Winstrol because the vials Clemens gave him were so labeled. McNamee injected Clemens approximately four times in the buttocks over a several-week period with needles that Clemens provided. Each incident took place in Clemens’s apartment at the SkyDome. McNamee never asked Clemens where he obtained the steroids. During the 1998 season (around the time of the injections), Clemens showed McNamee a white bottle of Anadrol-50.386 Clemens told McNamee he was not using it but wanted to know more about it. McNamee told Clemens not to use it. McNamee said he took the 385 Jose Canseco, Juiced: Wild Times, Rampant ‘Roids, Smash Hits and How Baseball Got Big 211-13 (Regan Books 2005). 386 Anadrol 50 is the brand name for oxymetholone and, according to a reference book targeted at steroid abusers, “is considered by many to be the most powerful steroid commercially available.” See William Llewellyn, Anabolics 2006 99 (5th ed. 2006). It can harm the liver and produce pronounced androgenic side effects. Id. at 100. 170 bottle and gave it to Canseco.387 McNamee does not know where Clemens obtained the Anadrol-50. According to McNamee, from the time that McNamee injected Clemens with Winstrol through the end of the 1998 season, Clemens’s performance showed remarkable improvement. During this period of improved performance, Clemens told McNamee that the steroids “had a pretty good effect” on him. McNamee said that Clemens also was training harder and dieting better during this time. In 1999, Clemens was traded to the New York Yankees. McNamee remained under contract with the Blue Jays for the 1999 season. In 2000, the Yankees hired McNamee as the assistant strength and conditioning coach under Jeff Mangold. According to McNamee, the Yankees hired him because Clemens persuaded them to do so. In this capacity, McNamee worked with all of the Yankees players. McNamee was paid both by the Yankees and by Clemens personally. Clemens hired McNamee to train him during portions of several weeks in the off-season. McNamee also trained Clemens personally for one to two weeks during spring training and a few times during the season. McNamee served as the Yankees’ assistant strength and conditioning coach through the 2001 season.388 McNamee first learned about Kirk Radomski through David Segui during the 2000 season. Also that season, McNamee obtained Radomski’s telephone number from Jason Grimsley. McNamee wanted to buy a Lexus, and Radomski had a connection with a Lexus dealer. Radomski recalled that Grimsley was a frequent customer for performance enhancing 387 McNamee stated that he showed the bottle to Canseco because he thought that Canseco was knowledgeable and he felt comfortable approaching him. According to McNamee, Canseco volunteered to take the bottle. 388 In his own interview, Mangold was reluctant to discuss McNamee in any respect. Mangold said that he was not aware of, and never suspected, any player of using performance enhancing substances. 171 substances, and he produced nine checks written by Grimsley to Radomski during 2001 and 2002 and fourteen checks in total. According to McNamee, during the middle of the 2000 season Clemens made it clear that he was ready to use steroids again. During the latter part of the regular season, McNamee injected Clemens in the buttocks four to six times with testosterone from a bottle labeled either Sustanon 250 or Deca-Durabolin that McNamee had obtained from Radomski. McNamee stated that during this same time period he also injected Clemens four to six times with human growth hormone he received from Radomski, after explaining to Clemens the potential benefits and risks of use. McNamee believed that it was probably his idea that Clemens try human growth hormone. Radomski instructed McNamee how to inject human growth hormone. On each occasion, McNamee administered the injections at Clemens’s apartment in New York City. McNamee said that he and Clemens did not have any conversations regarding performance enhancing substances from late 2000 until August 2001. McNamee did, however, train Clemens and Andy Pettitte during the off-season at their homes in Houston. Clemens often invited other major league players who lived in the Houston area to train with him. McNamee’s training relationship with Clemens and others has been described publicly. Peter Gammons reported during spring training 2001: Brandon Smith, an apprentice trainer with the Yankees, describes Roger Clemens’ day as follows: “He’s one of the first players in every morning, runs, does his program with Andy Pettitte, does the team program workout, goes to the weight room, leaves, plays 18 holes of golf and finally meets (trainer) Brian McNamee at 6 .. . . and a few other players – for another workout. It’s incredible how much energy Roger has.”389 389 Peter Gammons, Indians Expecting Better Year, espn.com, Mar. 11, 2001; see also Gary Graves, Clemens on Fire with Desire; Rigorous Workouts Keep 38-year-old All-Star Sharp, In Shape, USA Today, July 10, 2001, at C3. 172 According to McNamee, Clemens advised him in August 2001 that he was again ready to use steroids. Shortly thereafter, McNamee injected Clemens with Sustanon or Deca- Durabolin on four to five occasions at Clemens’s apartment. According to McNamee, he again obtained these drugs from Kirk Radomski. McNamee concluded from Clemens’s statements and conduct that Clemens did not like using human growth hormone (Clemens told him that he did not like the “bellybutton shot”). To McNamee’s knowledge, Clemens did not use human growth hormone in 2001. McNamee was not retained by the Yankees after the 2001 season. After that season, Clemens never again asked McNamee to inject him with performance enhancing substances, and McNamee had no further discussions with Clemens about such substances. McNamee stated that Clemens did not tell him why he stopped asking him to administer performance enhancing substances, and McNamee has no knowledge about whether Clemens used performance enhancing substances after 2001. During the years that McNamee stated he facilitated Clemens’s use of steroids and human growth hormone, McNamee’s discussions with Clemens about use of these drugs were limited. McNamee assumed that Clemens used performance enhancing substances during the second half of the season so that he would not tire, but they did not discuss this directly. It was Clemens who made the decision when he would use anabolic steroids or human growth hormone. McNamee stated that he tried to educate Clemens about these substances; he “gave him as much information as possible.” Clemens continued to train with McNamee after he was dismissed by the Yankees, according to both McNamee and press reports. In October 2006, after the Los Angeles Times reported that the names of Clemens and McNamee were among those that had been 173 redacted from an affidavit in support of a search warrant for the residence of Jason Grimsley as allegedly involved with the illegal use of performance enhancing substances, Clemens was reported to have said: “I’ll continue to use Mac [McNamee] to train me. He’s one of a kind.”390 McNamee was quoted in a December 10, 2006 news article on steroids as reportedly having said: “I never, ever gave Clemens or Pettitte steroids. They never asked me for steroids. The only thing they asked me for were vitamins.”391 McNamee told us that he was accurately quoted but that he did not tell the truth to the reporter who interviewed him. He explained that he was trying to protect his reputation. On May 15, 2007, the New York Daily News reported that Clemens had cut ties to McNamee.392 McNamee denied that and told us that he trained Clemens after the article was published. He added that Clemens now has a home in the New York area, and McNamee personally installed a gym there. McNamee stated that he has no ill will toward Clemens and “was always ahead [financially] with Roger.” McNamee received money for expenses from Clemens’s business representatives. They paid McNamee for training Clemens, and for his expenses. From time to time Clemens also gave McNamee “extra money.” Clemens never gave money to McNamee specifically to buy performance enhancing substances. Kirk Radomski recalled meeting McNamee through David Segui. Radomski confirmed that he supplied McNamee with human growth hormone and anabolic steroids from 390 Jack Curry, Cloud Over Clemens’s Finale: He and Pettitte Deny Report, N.Y. Times, Oct. 2, 2006, at D1; Lance Pugmire, The Nation; Clemens Is Named in Drug Affidavit, L.A. Times, Oct. 1, 2006, at A1. 391 See William Sherman and T.J. Quinn, Andy Totes Baggage to Bronx, N.Y. Daily News, Dec. 10, 2006, at 56. McNamee’s interactions with Pettitte are discussed below. 392 Christian Red with T.J. Quinn, Roger Seeking Workout Help, N.Y. Daily News, May 15, 2007. 174 2000 to 2004. Although McNamee never told Radomski the performance enhancing substances obtained were for anything other than McNamee’s personal use, Radomski concluded that McNamee was distributing the substances to others based on the amounts he purchased and the timing of the purchases. Radomski knew McNamee was acting as personal trainer for Roger Clemens, Andy Pettitte, and Chuck Knoblauch (among others), and he suspected McNamee was giving the performance enhancing substances to some of his clients. Occasionally, McNamee acknowledged good performances by Knoblauch or Clemens by “dropping hints,” such as “[h]e’s on the program now.” McNamee never explicitly told Radomski that either Clemens or Pettitte was using steroids or human growth hormone. According to Radomski, however, McNamee asked Radomski what types of substances Radomski was providing to pitchers. Radomski delivered the substances to McNamee personally. Radomski recalled numerous performance enhancing substance transactions with McNamee. Radomski also sometimes trained some of McNamee’s non-professional athlete clients. Radomski produced four checks from McNamee that were deposited into Radomski’s checking account and drawn on McNamee’s checking account.393 All the checks were dated in 2003 and 2004, after McNamee said that he supplied Clemens, Pettitte, and Knoblauch. McNamee said these purchases were for non-baseball clients. McNamee’s name, with an address and telephone number, is listed in the address book seized from Radomski’s residence by federal agents. Radomski’s telephone records show twelve calls to McNamee’s telephone number from May through August 2004. Radomski was 393 One of the checks, in the amount of $2,400, includes a memo stating “Loan Repay Sub.” Radomski confirmed that he never loaned McNamee any money and that the check had been for one-and-a-half kits of human growth hormone. 175 unable to obtain telephone records dating back to the time when, according to McNamee, McNamee was injecting Clemens. Clemens appears to be one of the two people associated with baseball – Andy Pettitte is the other – who have remained loyal to McNamee after he left the Yankees.394 Clemens has remained a source of income for McNamee up to and including 2007. Prior to my interviews of McNamee he was interviewed by federal officials on several occasions, during each of which they informed McNamee that he risked criminal prosecution if he was not truthful. I was advised by those officials that on each occasion he told them about the performance enhancing substance use of Clemens, Andy Pettitte, and Chuck Knoblauch (Pettitte and Knoblauch are discussed below). In order to provide Clemens with information about these allegations and to give him an opportunity to respond, I asked him to meet with me; he declined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Astros must be thrilled that they just traded for Miguel Tejada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Forgoing discipline. I knew it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(G&T @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 02:17 PM) Forgoing discipline. I knew it. Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 02:14 PM) Once we get guys like Roberts out of the game, these guys will be recognized as the good guys of this era. perhaps, but lets not forget that bigbie and guys like canseco were users themselves...and canseco is the self described godfather of this era...he was instrumental in all of this...... this is such a huge day in baseball history...in my mind this tarnishes the entire era in the mind of hte public...it was something that we all saw coming for a long time, but i think that today with this report coming out, the eye of the public will finally and with out doubt view this era as the steroid era Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Mitchell urging the Commish not to take action based on past actions except in the worst cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(MurcieOne @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 01:16 PM) Astros must be thrilled that they just traded for Miguel Tejada. Miguel Tejada Miguel Tejada is a shortstop who has played for two teams in Major League Baseball since 1997, the Oakland Athletics (7 seasons) and Baltimore Orioles (4 seasons). He was the American League Most Valuable Player in 2002. He played in every game from June 2, 2000 until June 21, 2007, the fifth longest streak of consecutive games played in Major League 202 Baseball history. Tejada has played in four All-Star games and was the Most Valuable Player of the 2005 All-Star game. In 2003, Adam Piatt’s locker was located next to Tejada’s in the Oakland Athletics clubhouse. According to Piatt, Tejada asked specifically if he had any steroids. Piatt believed that Tejada asked him because Piatt was in good shape and generally friendly with him. Piatt had several conversations with Tejada before a transaction occurred. Piatt admitted he had access to steroids and human growth hormone and agreed to obtain them for Tejada. Piatt recalled that he provided Tejada with testosterone or Deca-Durabolin, as well as human growth hormone. Piatt emphasized that he did not know whether Tejada actually used the substances. Piatt’s bank provided two checks deposited into Piatt’s account that had been written to him from Miguel Tejada. The checks are dated March 21, 2003 and are in the amounts of $3,100 and $3,200 respectively. Both are included in the Appendix; one is shown below. Separately, before our interviews of him, Piatt also spoke with federal agents by telephone. Piatt had his personal lawyer present for this call, as he did in his meetings with me 203 and my investigative staff. The federal agents later advised my staff that Piatt also informed them of Piatt’s sales to Tejada during their telephone interview. Radomski recalled receiving a call from Piatt during which he said he needed extra testosterone because “one of the guys wanted some.” In a later conversation, Piatt told Radomski that the testosterone was for his teammate, Miguel Tejada. Radomski never spoke, or sold performance enhancing substances, directly to Tejada. Radomski provided this information to me without knowledge that I had spoken to Piatt or that I was otherwise aware of Piatt’s alleged sales to Tejada. Similarly, Piatt was unaware of any statements by Radomski on this subject when he was interviewed by my investigative staff. As discussed earlier in this report, Tejada was interviewed as part of a congressional investigation into whether Rafael Palmeiro had lied under oath about his use of performance enhancing substances during a March 17, 2005 congressional committee hearing.408 In that investigation, Palmeiro said he had received injectable, and legal, vitamin B12 from Tejada; Palmeiro said it was possible the vitamin B12 had been tainted and had been the reason for his positive test for steroids. Tejada admitted to investigators that he provided injectable vitamin B12 to Palmeiro and two other unidentified Orioles players during the 2005 season. The congressional report said that the Players Association had tested another vial of vitamin B12 provided by Tejada and it showed no signs of steroids.409 Tejada is also mentioned in two books on the subject. In Juicing the Game, the author Howard Bryant wrote that during the 2002 season, an airport security screener found a syringe in Tejada’s briefcase. Tejada reportedly explained that he received a supply of vitamin 408 See supra at 103-06; see also H. Comm. on Gov’t Reform, Report on Investigation Into Rafael Palmeiro’s March 17, 2005 Testimony Before the Comm. on Gov’t Reform, at 6 (109th Cong. 2005) (“Palmeiro Report”). 409 Palmeiro Report at 9-10, 25, 27. 204 B12 from the Dominican Republic that he administered to himself.410 Mickey Morabito, the director of team travel for the Oakland Athletics, confirmed the incident in an interview with my investigative staff. He acknowledged that he did not report the incident to anyone with the club or the Commissioner’s Office. In his book Juiced, Jose Canseco wrote that, in 1997, when he and Tejada were teammates on the Athletics, they discussed the use of performance enhancing substances: I started giving him [Tejada] advice about steroids, and he seemed interested in what I was saying. Tejada and I had a secret weapon: We could speak in Spanish, which made it easier to talk about whatever he wanted, even if there were reporters around.411 Tejada denied that he had ever had any discussions with Canseco about steroids. He was further reported to say: “I work very hard to keep in shape and any suggestion that I use steroids, or any banned substance is insulting and not worth discussing further.”412 In December 2005, Texas Rangers owner Thomas O. Hicks and general manager Jon Daniels engaged in an email exchange about possible trade discussions. In one email, Daniels stated that he had “some steroids concerns with Tejada,” and cited Tejada’s decreased productivity over the second half of the 2005 season.413 In order to provide Tejada with information about these allegations and to give him an opportunity to respond, I asked him to meet with me; he declined. 410 Howard Bryant, Juicing The Game 335 (Plume 2005). 411 Jose Canseco, Juiced: Wild Times, Rampant ‘Roids, Smash Hits and How Baseball Got Big 177 (Regan Books 2005). 412 See Associated Press, Report: FBI Agent Says He Warned MLB about Steroid Use, Chi. Sun-Times, Feb. 16, 2005, at 134. 413 Email from Jon Daniels to Thomas O. Hicks, dated Dec. 15, 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(NCsoxfan @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 01:06 PM) JIM F'ing PARQUE is on there!!! PARQUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He needed steroids to throw 83-85. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linnwood Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 We interviewed or consulted with many others whose views and information were very helpful, including: former Commissioners of Baseball Peter V. Ueberroth and Francis T. (“Fay”) Vincent; numerous law enforcement and other officials; experts from the United States Anti-Doping Agency, the World Anti-Doping Agency and the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority; John Dowd, who conducted the Pete Rose investigation; Don Hooton, chairman of The Taylor Hooton Foundation; Dr. Gary Green; Dr. Jay Hoffman; Frank Thomas of the Toronto Blue Jays; and many others. Page B-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 02:17 PM) Huh? Are you watching the news conference? Mitchell just said they should forgo discipline unless the commissioner deemed the use to be so egregious to merit discipline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(MurcieOne @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 02:16 PM) Astros must be thrilled that they just traded for Miguel Tejada. They knew. Some of the stuff...I dunno. Like Jack Cust -- basically, 'Bigbie said he said he had tried them.' Um, okay...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 11:17 AM) Mitchell urging the Commish not to take action based on past actions except in the worst cases. Like Barry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(WCSox @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 11:19 AM) Like Barry? If anyone falls under that exception, it's Bonds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaus kinski Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Knocking Clemens out in the World Series so much sweeter now. What a phoney piece of crap he has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 QUOTE(Linnwood @ Dec 13, 2007 -> 01:18 PM) Page B-6 BINGO!!!....new game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 mitchell really emphasized the fact that this list is certainly not entirely inclusive adn that far more players who arent mentioned are certain users...basically this whole thing is saying steroids was so widespread that the games integrity of this era needs to be questioned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Nothing is going to happen to anyone. Bonds will be in jail anyway. This is CYA for Selig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 It look's like Clemens is gonna get the worst of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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