Quality Starts

[jasonxctf]

2007 Quality Start %'s

 

Buehrle 20 out of 30 (66.67%)

Vazquez 20 out of 32 (62.50%)

Contreras 12 out of 30 (40.0%)

Danks 8 out of 26 (30.76%)

Floyd 6 out of 10 (60.0%)

 

Garland 21 out of 32 (65.62%)

[Marky Mark]

What's your criteria for a quality start? I wish baseball used earned run average median, instead of ERA to measure a player's worth. I feel like that'd be more accurate.

[Gene Honda Civic]

Since 2005 games with 7+IP and less than 3 runs allowed. (because 6IP 3ER is a 4.5 RA)

 

Brandon Webb 45

Johan Santana 45

Jake Peavy 44

Roy Oswalt 42

John Smoltz 37

Roy Halladay 36

Carlos Zambrano 34

C.C. Sabathia 34

Andy Pettitte 34

Tim Hudson 34

Danny Haren 34

Aaron Harang 34

Dontrelle Willis 33

Jon Garland 33

Chris Carpenter 33

Barry Zito 32

Bronson Arroyo 32

Derek Lowe 31

Mark Buehrle 31

Doug Davis 30

Joe Blanton 30

 

Remove all the NL guys, and Garland is 5th in the AL, Buerhle 6th.

 

AL Quality starts since 2005

Johan Santana 65

Danny Haren 63

Jon Garland 59

C.C. Sabathia 58

John Lackey 58

Joe Blanton 57

Edited December 18, 2007 by Gene Honda Civic

[greg775]

That can't be. Jon stinks ya know.

[jasonxctf]

What's your criteria for a quality start? I wish baseball used earned run average median, instead of ERA to measure a player's worth. I feel like that'd be more accurate.

 

i believe its 6+ IP with 3 or less ER.

[witesoxfan]

That can't be. Jon stinks ya know.

 

Worthless overexaggeration.

[santo=dorf]

i believe its 6+ IP with 3 or less ER.

Too broad of a stat to use. Doesn't account for WHIP, and a guy can actually lose a quality start if he continues to pitch deep in a game. A guy could give up his 4 total ER in the 8th, and even though he would have a 4.50 ERA (0.00 coming into the inning) it wouldn't be a quality start.

[YASNY]

Too broad of a stat to use. Doesn't account for WHIP, and a guy can actually lose a quality start if he continues to pitch deep in a game. A guy could give up his 4 total ER in the 8th, and even though he would have a 4.50 ERA (0.00 coming into the inning) it wouldn't be a quality start.

 

Regardless of your opinion, that is the official definition of a quality start.

[max power]

Regardless of your opinion, that is the official definition of a quality start.

???

 

That wasn't his point.

[YASNY]

???

 

That wasn't his point.

 

I didn't mean for that come across as a critcism.

[RME JICO]

2007 Quality Start %'s

 

Floyd 6 out of 10 (60.0%)

 

Garland 21 out of 32 (65.62%)

So the drop-off from Garland to Floyd won't be that big.

[Balta1701]

So the drop-off from Garland to Floyd won't be that big.

Even I'll step up and say that it's a possibility, but it's certainly a stretch to expect 20+ quality starts from Floyd next year. It'd be dynamite if he could.

[YASNY]

Even I'll step up and say that it's a possibility, but it's certainly a stretch to expect 20+ quality starts from Floyd next year. It'd be dynamite if he could.

 

I don't expect 20+ QS from Floyd next year. But there comes a time when you have to give these young guys a chance. Garland to a few years to become a decent pitcher. It's part of the equation. The have to get ML experience to become quality ML'ers.

[Balta1701]

I don't expect 20+ QS from Floyd next year. But there comes a time when you have to give these young guys a chance. Garland to a few years to become a decent pitcher. It's part of the equation. The have to get ML experience to become quality ML'ers.

You're preaching to the choir on that one.

[YASNY]

You're preaching to the choir on that one.

 

Seems to be others around here that need to listen to the sermon.

[Balta1701]

Seems to be others around here that need to listen to the sermon.

They've been mad at Gavin ever since he kinda ran over their dog.

 

"Really?"

 

Yes, well, replace the word "Kinda" with the word "Repeatedly" and the word "dog" with son.

[Vance Law]

Too broad of a stat to use. Doesn't account for WHIP, and a guy can actually lose a quality start if he continues to pitch deep in a game. A guy could give up his 4 total ER in the 8th, and even though he would have a 4.50 ERA (0.00 coming into the inning) it wouldn't be a quality start.

 

That hypothetical you suggest, would not qualify as a QS. Your total innings pitched must be 6 or more and your total earned runs allowed must be 3 or fewer to qualify as a quality start. Pitching 6 innings of shut-out ball and then giving up 4 runs in the 7th disqualifies you. Even if you pitched 8 innings, gave up only 2 runs, left 2 on base, and the reliever promptly gave up a homer, you wouldn't get a QS because you are saddled with 2 more earned runs.

 

[StrangeSox]

That hypothetical you suggest, would not qualify as a QS. Your total innings pitched must be 6 or more and your total earned runs allowed must be 3 or fewer to qualify as a quality start. Pitching 6 innings of shut-out ball and then giving up 4 runs in the 7th disqualifies you. Even if you pitched 8 innings, gave up only 2 runs, left 2 on base, and the reliever promptly gave up a homer, you wouldn't get a QS because you are saddled with 2 more earned runs.

 

That was his point.

 

4ER in 8 or 9 innings pitched it a good outing, but it wouldn't count as a quality start. Would you rather have 3ER in 6 and then your bullpen, or your starter going 9 and giving up 4?

[GoodAsGould]

I really think Gavin can be something special... I kind of like him more than Danks almost.

[Balta1701]

I really think Gavin can be something special... I kind of like him more than Danks almost.

Each one has their own positives and their own potential pitfalls.

 

2 years ago we were worshiping Cooper because he managed to take a couple guys who were essentially castoffs and build a world series winning rotation around them by getting them to use their talent.

 

These 2 are basically his next chance to do it again.

[Vance Law]

That was his point.

 

4ER in 8 or 9 innings pitched it a good outing, but it wouldn't count as a quality start. Would you rather have 3ER in 6 and then your bullpen, or your starter going 9 and giving up 4?

 

Ah, that is what was meant by "lose" a quality start. I interpreted incorrectly.

 

Nonetheless, those games would be very few. It is very unlikely that any pitcher has a high incidence of games of 4ER in 8 or 9 innings pitched. I agree that the people over at Quality Starts Watch, Inc. should include such games but I highly doubt this is skewing the stat very much at all.

 

Just a quick glance and neither Buehrle or Garland had a game like that last year. Garland had one in 06. Buehrle has had 3 games of 4 earned runs in 7 innings in the past 2 years.

Edited December 18, 2007 by Vance Law

[Chisoxrd5]

It's funny how there has been very little discussion on this thread after The Cheat's little breakdown clearly shows we gave up a pretty darn reliable starter in Jon Garland for a one year rental Shortstop.

 

Kinda makes me sad

[YASNY]

It's funny how there has been very little discussion on this thread after The Cheat's little breakdown clearly shows we gave up a pretty darn reliable starter in Jon Garland for a one year rental Shortstop.

 

Kinda makes me sad

 

We also gave up a one year rental starter.

[Chisoxrd5]

We also gave up a one year rental starter.

 

While that may be the case, I always hold pitching in higher regard than position players. It's also my opinion that we had a much better shot of resigning JG than we do of resigning Orlando Cabrera.

 

 

[YASNY]

While that may be the case, I always hold pitching in higher regard than position players. It's also my opinion that we had a much better shot of resigning JG than we do of resigning Orlando Cabrera.

 

Maybe. But who knows? That's pure conjecture.