jackie hayes Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 QUOTE(G&T @ Dec 20, 2007 -> 08:49 AM) Maybe, but if Prior is smart he won't go to a team that's in the national spot light like that. That will only add to the pressure. Of course, he probably wouldn't want to stay in Chicago because he might still be a lightening rod. He'll probably end up in a big park like San Diego where he might get some starts in important games down the stretch but won't have the scrutiny of other cities. That makes too much sense to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Dec 20, 2007 -> 11:06 AM) That makes too much sense to happen. I know. But even if it isn't San Diego I still doubt he would stay in Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Hopefully he didn't end up changing his mechanics like the Cubs wanted him to. His mechanics were great as it is. Cubs doctor's were terrible at evaluating injuries though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Dec 20, 2007 -> 07:24 AM) No big surprise to me that we are kicking the tires on Mark Prior. I'll bet we are also wispering to Garcia and Colon as well. It also means that the whole Kenny line that everyone went crazy about was crap as well, like a few of us were trying to tell everyone. Kenny doesn't think Danks and Floyd are top flight pitchers, but he has to say that they are. His actions are what we should watch, not his words. The entire planet knows he is full of s***. I'll bet we don't sign any of those. It's just talk. That is KW's MO, IMO. If we do sign any of them, I'd guess Garcia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 I think if KW was really in win now he would do what it takes to acquire Roberts/Bedard... ship whatever prospects besides Fields.... than take 1 year flyers on id say Colon and Prior. Not saying I would agree with that approach but that would be only way I could give this team a chance of contending next season. You are an idiot if you go after Roberts right now. He is a steroid freak and you don't know what else he was taking, even last year. I was all for Roberts, but not any longer. You can't trade for a guy like that. It would be like saying that you accept steroids or other performance enhancers and that there is nothing wrong with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 QUOTE(southsideirish @ Dec 20, 2007 -> 02:58 PM) You are an idiot if you go after Roberts right now. He is a steroid freak and you don't know what else he was taking, even last year. I was all for Roberts, but not any longer. You can't trade for a guy like that. It would be like saying that you accept steroids or other performance enhancers and that there is nothing wrong with it. The fans won't care if he keeps putting up the numbers. The problem is that he might not be able to get a ball out of the infield now. There's too big a risk that he's been using for the last few years rather than that "one time" he talks about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Dec 20, 2007 -> 05:24 AM) No big surprise to me that we are kicking the tires on Mark Prior. I'll bet we are also wispering to Garcia and Colon as well. It also means that the whole Kenny line that everyone went crazy about was crap as well, like a few of us were trying to tell everyone. Kenny doesn't think Danks and Floyd are top flight pitchers, but he has to say that they are. His actions are what we should watch, not his words. The entire planet knows he is full of s***. Almost the entire planet. And a large percentage of those who haven't learned this yet post at Soxtalk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Are Freddie and Bartolo healthy? I wouldn't mind either of those guys. I would pass on Prior just because he's not ready for the start of the season. Too risky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnCangelosi Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Doesn't anyone else see how Prior's body (and notably, legs) have shrunk considerably since the end of the 2004 season??? Don't you guys think he is one of the guys who was clearly juicing and now has nothing left since he can't juice any longer?? The guy has nothing left. The only guy that shrunk more after the 04 season was Giambi. Colon or Garcia's probability of success vs. Prior in 2008 is about a million percent better, and we all know what big risks those two guys are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(JohnCangelosi @ Dec 20, 2007 -> 12:19 PM) Doesn't anyone else see how Prior's body (and notably, legs) have shrunk considerably since the end of the 2004 season??? Don't you guys think he is one of the guys who was clearly juicing and now has nothing left since he can't juice any longer?? The guy has nothing left. The only guy that shrunk more after the 04 season was Giambi. Colon or Garcia's probability of success vs. Prior in 2008 is about a million percent better, and we all know what big risks those two guys are. Out of all the people who were nontendered, if we're giving that roster spot to anyone, I'd still prefer McPherson. Edited December 20, 2007 by Balta1701 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Old Picture: 2007: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Could be, as his calves appear to have really shrunk. Still, I'd be willing to take a one-year flier on him if the price were reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 QUOTE(JohnCangelosi @ Dec 20, 2007 -> 02:19 PM) Doesn't anyone else see how Prior's body (and notably, legs) have shrunk considerably since the end of the 2004 season??? Don't you guys think he is one of the guys who was clearly juicing and now has nothing left since he can't juice any longer?? The guy has nothing left. The only guy that shrunk more after the 04 season was Giambi. Colon or Garcia's probability of success vs. Prior in 2008 is about a million percent better, and we all know what big risks those two guys are. Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez says hello. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baines3 Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 I'd possible take a chance on a one year deal with Prior, because of his injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Why would anyone sign him if it is only for one year? Seems to me that Prior needs at least one year of rehab first before they can fix his pitching flaws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 QUOTE(knightni @ Dec 20, 2007 -> 02:15 PM) Why would anyone sign him if it is only for one year? Seems to me that Prior needs at least one year of rehab first before they can fix his pitching flaws. Because Prior wants only 1 year so that he can hit the FA market next offseason again hopefully having improved people's view of him. And out of the entire MLB, you think that there isn't one team that would offer a 1 year deal to a pitcher who they're not sure will be healthy? Someone will do it. If I were someone like Baltimore, Houston, San Diego, Washington, Pittsburgh, some team like that which could either use a pitcher or use trade bait, why not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Yeah there's enough interest in guys such as Jennings, Garcia etc. who have had surgery, so that shows precisely where the pitching market is at. I mean would you rather Carlos Silva at 4/44, or rather take a 1 year flyer on Prior? I'd go the latter. If it pays off, you either try to re-sign, or trade him at the deadline for some nice value. If it doesn't, well it was worth a shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Dec 20, 2007 -> 02:45 PM) Yeah there's enough interest in guys such as Jennings, Garcia etc. who have had surgery, so that shows precisely where the pitching market is at. I mean would you rather Carlos Silva at 4/44, or rather take a 1 year flyer on Prior? I'd go the latter. If it pays off, you either try to re-sign, or trade him at the deadline for some nice value. If it doesn't, well it was worth a shot. With a spot on the 40 man, I agree with that sentiment...I just think it makes more sense for the White Sox to go that route witha position player rather than a pitcher, since we at least have a boatload of pitchers who could benefit from seeing that time in the MLB already. Which is why I have more of an interest in McPherson, especially if Crede is moved, as I think he's more likely to be healthy and he fills the need of a bat in the future (esp. if Jim Thome were to leave). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Prediction: KW will be among the highest bidders but Prior states that he would rather sign with the Expos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Dec 20, 2007 -> 05:14 PM) Prediction: KW will be among the highest bidders but Prior states that he would rather sign with the Expos. Yeah, he wants to be the first pitcher in team history to do the towel drill. Cooper had a couple pitchers on it last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Dec 20, 2007 -> 06:20 PM) Yeah, he wants to be the first pitcher in team history to do the towel drill. Cooper had a couple pitchers on it last year. Actually, it would appear that he wants to be the first player to begin playing for a team that no longer exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 Why does everyone seemingly make fun of the towel drill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 I'd rather the Sox spend money on anything else. Signing their top draft pick, international operations, more chevy pride girls, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Dec 20, 2007 -> 10:24 PM) Why does everyone seemingly make fun of the towel drill? Because over his career, hes thrown more towels than baseballs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Dec 20, 2007 -> 10:24 PM) Why does everyone seemingly make fun of the towel drill? The drill does have it's purpose in teaching full extension of the arm during the throwing motion. It is made fun of in baseball because it's part of House's drills that focus on a lot "non-baseball" activities to teach pitching mechanics. Such as the football example I used earlier. It gets made fun of in the press for precisely the reason stated above. Prior has been rehabbing more than pitching and he has been seen doing these drills frequently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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