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QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 20, 2007 -> 02:29 PM)
Media reports have the Cubs close to acquiring Roberts for Murton/Gallagher/another prospect. He would be just an ideal acquisition for the Cubs. I love this offseason!

I'm not a Cubs fan.

 

But seriously, this could not be a more perfect fit for them... screw the roids crap... Roberts makes their offense elite. I guess this forces alfonso to the #5 spot?

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This offseason keeps getting better and better....

 

Seen this on MLBTraderumors.....TIFWIW

 

Nothing Imminent With Orioles

Sean Welsh of the Baltimore Examiner spoke to Orioles' president Andy MacPhail, clearing up some rumors that had been buzzing around. MacPhail would be "very surprised" if the Orioles strike deals for Erik Bedard or Brian Roberts before year's end.

 

Welsh says the Cubs are focused on Roberts, while the Reds are still on Bedard's trail.

 

 

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QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Dec 20, 2007 -> 09:11 PM)
It would just give him more to follow on his closest watched team.

 

Well, if they're playing meaningful games in July, and the Sox are 20 games out, I'm sure I'll be watching the Brewers and Cubs games more closely than the Sox games. The two teams I wanted to see not improve this offseason were the Tigers and the Cubs. If the Cubs get Roberts, to go along with the addition of Fukudome (without having to give up Pie or Hill), that will be a hell of an offseason for them.

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QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 20, 2007 -> 09:24 PM)
Worried about the Cubs already? Jebus.

 

Where did I say I'm worried? Not one time in this thread did I make any prediction about how they'll fare next year. The analysis was only in regards to the fact that they're improving without having to use their main resources. None of those guys in the Orioles proposed trade would ever be significant players for the Cubs.

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QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Dec 20, 2007 -> 04:27 PM)
Actually, I do think it'd be neat if the Cubs won the World Series next year a few weeks after their hundredth anniversary, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

 

I hope they never win the world series, but then again. I never had fun at Wrigley. :lol:

 

I am looking forward to adding to my collection of Cubs Suck shirts. The centennial version should be a keeper.

 

 

 

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Maybe I'll get blasted here for this, but Im okay with it: I have no resounding hate for the Cubs. They are actually very tolerable to me (though many of their fans get on my nerves for being TRUE bandwagon fans, in that they dont even like the sport but love the Cubs). Since leaving Chicago about 5 years ago, I realized I would much rather see the Cubs win than the nearby Tigers, basically I am a fan of Chicago. I love that city! :gosox4:

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QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Dec 20, 2007 -> 08:51 PM)
I hope they never win the world series, but then again. I never had fun at Wrigley. :lol:

 

I am looking forward to adding to my collection of Cubs Suck shirts. The centennial version should be a keeper.

 

Everyone's entitled to

 

1. enjoy the game of baseball as they choose

2. follow their teams as they wish

 

but I think there's something sad about hating another team as much as you love your own.

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QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Dec 21, 2007 -> 03:53 AM)
Everyone's entitled to

 

1. enjoy the game of baseball as they choose

2. follow their teams as they wish

 

but I think there's something sad about hating another team as much as you love your own.

 

even in college sports?

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QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 20, 2007 -> 02:29 PM)
Media reports have the Cubs close to acquiring Roberts for Murton/Gallagher/another prospect. He would be just an ideal acquisition for the Cubs. I love this offseason!

What a horrible deal for the O's. Murton is the prize in that package and he isnt worth Roberts.

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QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Dec 20, 2007 -> 10:24 PM)
That's an exception. That's the exception.

 

In my mind it is the exact same thing. They are the bitterest of rivals due to the fan base. That is why college rivalries are that big. Any rivarly to be a rivalry has to have a dislike for the opponent. The greater the dislike, the greater the rivalry.

 

I think true blue Boston fans hate the Yankees where as Yankee fans only need to point to the fact that there is 100 years of success behind their claim.

 

The cub v. Sox rivalry stems from the fact that the cubs are treated as an elite franchise while up until 3 years ago they went over 30 years without have back to back winnign seasons. The Sox treated as a cheap franchise in the national media nad the cub are a media darlingyet the results do not prove this.

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QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Dec 21, 2007 -> 11:01 AM)
In my mind it is the exact same thing. They are the bitterest of rivals due to the fan base. That is why college rivalries are that big. Any rivarly to be a rivalry has to have a dislike for the opponent. The greater the dislike, the greater the rivalry.

 

I think true blue Boston fans hate the Yankees where as Yankee fans only need to point to the fact that there is 100 years of success behind their claim.

 

The cub v. Sox rivalry stems from the fact that the cubs are treated as an elite franchise while up until 3 years ago they went over 30 years without have back to back winnign seasons. The Sox treated as a cheap franchise in the national media nad the cub are a media darlingyet the results do not prove this.

 

Red Sox fans love their team far more than they hate the Yankees.

 

As for the rest, I have a controversial point to make and I want to preface it by saying that I loved the White Sox growing up and still do. It is my team and always will be, no matter how much I flirt with the Atlanta Braves or cinderella seasons or not having a team and being "an observer!" or whatever. So I ask that nobody take it as an attack upon them or our team, even though I know that it is a controversial thing to say here on a White Sox message board.

 

The White Sox invite apathy, scorn and distaste from the media and many fans of baseball due to the franchise's history. It might well be well-deserved and it might be unfair. I think it's both. But the White Sox are the only franchise in the history of the game to be caught throwing the World Series. There are some rumors that the New York Giants did it, as well, but they're rumors and inconclusive. There is nothing inconclusive about the Black Sox. And what happened after the Black Sox? The White Sox sucked. Babe Ruth took over baseball, followed by Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle, those great Yankee teams that took over baseball and overshadowed everyone. After that, the White Sox are littered with good-but-not-good-enough teams here and there along with several bad seasons, few of which are particularly memorable and when your franchise goes as long as ours without winning anything, and arguably the "biggest" thing to happen in Chicago is Disco Demolition Night, it invites scorn and criticism. I've written before that the White Sox, as a franchise and history, are kind of the bastard child of baseball. It's there, but it doesn't get much admiration or affection from anyone other than its dearest and nearest. And the reputation as a "cheap" franchise goes back to Reinsdorf, the Strike, the White Flag Trade (without arguing about the merits of it). The reputation the White Sox get and the criticisms their fans get come from empty ballparks. From that monstrosity we played in during the 1990s. Reinsdorf? To some, he appears a modern Comiskey. I wouldn't go that far, even though I'm not a fan, but he does things like put the White Sox on Cable, chase Harry Caray away and then call him and Jimmy Piersall "scum" and tell them to "eat your hearts out" on national TV.

 

By contrast, Cub fans are known as loyal to a fault, flocking to what most fans and writers consider the last great Cathedral of baseball every season, enduring remarkable heartbreak and agony but staying faithful. The ballpark's always full. The fans are always there. The managers always promise to break the streak. It's an easy thing to glorify. The White Sox? It's hard to glorify the White Sox. And I think that's the biggest thing at play with Sox fans who go crazy about the Cubs. Is feeling neglected. "Second team in the second city." I don't have that problem. I couldn't care less about Cub fans after we won the Series, and I don't really care about media coverage of the White Sox. I'd prefer it if the White Sox were good at taking care of their business with their mouths shut and didn't worry about what the press says -- like the Braves of the Schuerholz era, or Belichick's Patriots.

 

So, the points I've made can be summarized as two:

 

1. White Sox history invites scorn and criticism.

2. Cubs history invites pity and admiration, leading Sox fans to fury.

3(whichIdidn'tadvertiseinthesummaryintro). I don't care about media coverage. I just want my team to do what it does, do it well and get on with it.

 

Just as long as we never lose to that Phil Garner devil.

 

Feel free to disagree.

 

[i checked this post with Balta after posting it just to make sure it was...proper. That isn't to say he endorsed my ideas. We disagree on a lot of these things. But just that I checked.]

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QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Dec 21, 2007 -> 11:41 AM)
Red Sox fans love their team far more than they hate the Yankees.

 

As for the rest, I have a controversial point to make and I want to preface it by saying that I loved the White Sox growing up and still do. It is my team and always will be, no matter how much I flirt with the Atlanta Braves or cinderella seasons or not having a team and being "an observer!" or whatever. So I ask that nobody take it as an attack upon them or our team, even though I know that it is a controversial thing to say here on a White Sox message board.

 

The White Sox invite apathy, scorn and distaste from the media and many fans of baseball due to the franchise's history. It might well be well-deserved and it might be unfair. I think it's both. But the White Sox are the only franchise in the history of the game to be caught throwing the World Series. There are some rumors that the New York Giants did it, as well, but they're rumors and inconclusive. There is nothing inconclusive about the Black Sox. And what happened after the Black Sox? The White Sox sucked. Babe Ruth took over baseball, followed by Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle, those great Yankee teams that took over baseball and overshadowed everyone. After that, the White Sox are littered with good-but-not-good-enough teams here and there along with several bad seasons, few of which are particularly memorable and when your franchise goes as long as ours without winning anything, and arguably the "biggest" thing to happen in Chicago is Disco Demolition Night, it invites scorn and criticism. I've written before that the White Sox, as a franchise and history, are kind of the bastard child of baseball. It's there, but it doesn't get much admiration or affection from anyone other than its dearest and nearest. And the reputation as a "cheap" franchise goes back to Reinsdorf, the Strike, the White Flag Trade (without arguing about the merits of it). The reputation the White Sox get and the criticisms their fans get come from empty ballparks. From that monstrosity we played in during the 1990s. Reinsdorf? To some, he appears a modern Comiskey. I wouldn't go that far, even though I'm not a fan, but he does things like put the White Sox on Cable, chase Harry Caray away and then call him and Jimmy Piersall "scum" and tell them to "eat your hearts out" on national TV.

 

By contrast, Cub fans are known as loyal to a fault, flocking to what most fans and writers consider the last great Cathedral of baseball every season, enduring remarkable heartbreak and agony but staying faithful. The ballpark's always full. The fans are always there. The managers always promise to break the streak. It's an easy thing to glorify. The White Sox? It's hard to glorify the White Sox. And I think that's the biggest thing at play with Sox fans who go crazy about the Cubs. Is feeling neglected. "Second team in the second city." I don't have that problem. I couldn't care less about Cub fans after we won the Series, and I don't really care about media coverage of the White Sox. I'd prefer it if the White Sox were good at taking care of their business with their mouths shut and didn't worry about what the press says -- like the Braves of the Schuerholz era, or Belichick's Patriots.

 

So, the points I've made can be summarized as two:

 

1. White Sox history invites scorn and criticism.

2. Cubs history invites pity and admiration, leading Sox fans to fury.

3(whichIdidn'tadvertiseinthesummaryintro). I don't care about media coverage. I just want my team to do what it does, do it well and get on with it.

 

Just as long as we never lose to that Phil Garner devil.

 

Feel free to disagree.

 

[i checked this post with Balta after posting it just to make sure it was...proper. That isn't to say he endorsed my ideas. We disagree on a lot of these things. But just that I checked.]

 

 

I suggest you never go to Europe, because if the Sox-Cubs thing bothers you, a Derby match and how the fans act would really get you upset. The rivalries here are nothing, and are as civil as possible.

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QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Dec 21, 2007 -> 12:25 PM)
I suggest you never go to Europe, because if the Sox-Cubs thing bothers you, a Derby match and how the fans act would really get you upset. The rivalries here are nothing, and are as civil as possible.

 

I wasn't commenting on civility. And I love soccer riots/fans.

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QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Dec 21, 2007 -> 12:30 PM)
I wasn't commenting on civility. And I love soccer riots/fans.

 

 

I would say that some of the rivalry matches in soccer there have the same distain between the fanbases as we have with the Sox and the Cubs and the Yanks and the Redsox.

 

 

 

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