CWSGuy406 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Mark DeRosa had some not-too-happy comments about playing time in a Tribune (?) article today. He's right, too -- they have Fukodome in right, Soriano in left, A-Ram at third, Lee at first and (most likely) Roberts at second. None of those guys are part-time players. Anyways... if the Cubs would sell DeRosa low (and I mean low), I think he'd be a good fit for the Sox. One thing the Sox need is some power hitter off the bench -- DeRosa isn't a real great power hitter but double-digit homers the past two years is pretty bad. The Sox could certainly find time for him (Richar at second, vs some lefties as a DH for Thome), although they'd need to get rid of Uribe first (can't have two guys on the bench making a combined total of close to $10 million). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 (edited) QUOTE(fathom @ Jan 17, 2008 -> 03:28 AM) Pie or Hill better be in the deal. Neither is going to be, you should know that -- three of Murton, Cedeno, Gallagher and Marshall is what it'll (likely) be. My hope is that Baltimore gets Murton and the two starters -- that would give the Cubs no depth behind their back of the rotation. Edited January 17, 2008 by CWSGuy406 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jan 16, 2008 -> 09:39 PM) Neither is going to be, you should know that -- three of Murton, Cedeno, Gallagher and Marshall is what it'll (likely) be. My hope is that Baltimore gets Murton and the two starters -- that would give the Cubs no depth behind their back of the rotation. If they are relying on Marshall and Gallahger their season is in trouble anyway. I believe they will include something to get back Mora to add depth to their bench and include Pie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Rowland Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Jan 17, 2008 -> 08:27 AM) If they are relying on Marshall and Gallahger their season is in trouble anyway. I believe they will include something to get back Mora to add depth to their bench and include Pie. Like relying on two virtual rookies and a senior citizen for your 3rd through 5th spot in the rotation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 QUOTE(Pants Rowland @ Jan 17, 2008 -> 01:35 PM) Like relying on two virtual rookies and a senior citizen for your 3rd through 5th spot in the rotation? Like, say, the 2006 Detroit Tigers, with Kenny Rogers, Jeremy Bonderman, and that Justin Verlander dude? (Bonderman, btw, is only about 3 months older than Floyd). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Rowland Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 17, 2008 -> 03:44 PM) Like, say, the 2006 Detroit Tigers, with Kenny Rogers, Jeremy Bonderman, and that Justin Verlander dude? (Bonderman, btw, is only about 3 months older than Floyd). Apples and Oranges? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 QUOTE(Pants Rowland @ Jan 17, 2008 -> 01:46 PM) Apples and Oranges? Very true. But the point remains...it's not the fact that they're young or old that matters. It's whether or not they're any good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Neither Gallagher or Marshall are even the same pedigree as Floyd and Danks. Gallagher isnt much of a prospect. If im the Orioles, and I want to actually get something for one of my good players, im asking for at least Rich Hill most likely Marmol as one of the other ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 I didnt even see that article dude, I see this one more recent: MLBTRADERUMORS.COM Angelos Did Not Kill Roberts Trade Roch Kubatko of the Baltimore Sun checks in with a few Andy MacPhail quotes. Basically, MacPhail has only brought one trade to Orioles' owner Peter Angelos, the Miguel Tejada deal. That was obviously approved; nothing else was presented. So the Brian Roberts and Erik Bedard talks remain just talks. No deal has been reached in either case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jan 17, 2008 -> 11:44 PM) Neither Gallagher or Marshall are even the same pedigree as Floyd and Danks. Gallagher isnt much of a prospect. yeah, um... Not the same pedigree... not much of a prospect ='eeeeee'> Year Team Lg Age Org Level W L ERA G GS CG SH GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO WP BK H9 HR9 BB9 K9 WHIP GB% 2004 Az Cubs Ariz 18 Chc Rk 1 2 3.12 10 9 0 0 0 0 34.2 38 19 12 0 11 44 1 9.87 0.00 2.86 11.42 1.41 -- 2005 Peoria Midw 19 Chc A 14 5 2.71 26 26 0 0 0 146.0 107 53 44 10 55 139 5 0 6.60 0.62 3.39 8.57 1.11 -- Daytona FSL 19 Chc A+ 0 0 1.80 1 1 0 0 0 5.0 6 1 1 1 0 7 0 0 10.80 1.80 0.00 12.60 1.20 -- 2006 Daytona FSL 20 Chc A+ 4 0 2.30 13 13 0 0 0 0 78.1 75 24 20 5 21 80 3 0 8.62 0.57 2.41 9.19 1.23 -- W. Tenn Sou 20 Chc AA 7 5 2.71 15 15 0 0 0 0 86.1 74 30 26 4 55 91 9 0 7.71 0.42 5.73 9.49 1.49 -- 2007 Tennessee Sou 21 Chc AA 7 2 3.39 11 11 0 0 0 0 61.0 54 25 23 3 24 54 3 0 7.97 0.44 3.54 7.97 1.28 -- Iowa PCL 21 Chc AAA 3 1 2.66 8 8 0 0 0 0 40.2 33 12 12 1 13 37 3 0 7.30 0.22 2.88 8.19 1.13 -- Minor League Totals - 4 Season(s) 36 15 2.75 84 83 0 0 0 452.0 387 164 138 24 179 452 24 7.71 0.48 3.56 9.00 1.25 -- Yet surprisingly similar ='eeeeee'> Year Team Lg Age Org Level W L ERA G GS CG SH GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO WP BK H9 HR9 BB9 K9 WHIP GB% 2003 Az Rangers Ariz 18 Tex Rk 1 0 0.69 5 3 0 0 0 0 13.0 6 3 1 0 4 22 1 4.15 0.00 2.77 15.23 0.77 -- Spokane Nwest 18 Tex A- 0 2 8.53 5 5 0 0 0 0 12.2 12 12 12 0 7 13 0 8.53 0.00 4.97 9.24 1.50 -- 2004 Clinton Midw 19 Tex A 3 2 2.17 14 8 0 0 2 0 49.2 38 17 12 4 14 64 1 6.89 0.72 2.54 11.60 1.05 -- Stockton Calif 19 Tex A+ 1 4 5.24 13 13 0 0 0 0 55.0 62 38 32 5 26 48 3 10.15 0.82 4.25 7.85 1.60 -- 2005 Bkrsfld Calif 20 Tex A+ 3 3 2.50 10 10 0 0 0 57.2 50 18 16 5 16 53 1 0 7.80 0.78 2.50 8.27 1.14 -- Frisco Tex 20 Tex AA 4 10 5.49 18 17 0 0 0 98.1 117 66 60 12 34 85 3 0 10.71 1.10 3.11 7.78 1.54 -- 2006 Frisco Tex 21 Tex AA 5 4 4.15 13 13 0 0 0 0 69.1 74 38 32 11 22 82 3 0 9.61 1.43 2.86 10.64 1.38 -- Oklahoma PCL 21 Tex AAA 4 5 4.33 14 13 0 0 0 0 70.2 67 43 34 11 34 72 2 0 8.53 1.40 4.33 9.17 1.43 -- Minor League Totals - 4 Season(s) 21 30 4.20 92 82 0 0 0 426.1 426 235 199 48 157 439 14 9.00 1.01 3.32 9.27 1.37 -- Side-by-side comparison Year Team Lg Age Org Level W L ERA G GS CG SH GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO WP BK H9 HR9 BB9 K9 WHIP GB% Minor League Totals - 4 Season(s) 21 30 4.20 92 82 0 0 0 426.1 426 235 199 48 157 439 14 9.00 1.01 3.32 9.27 1.37 -- Minor League Totals - 4 Season(s) 36 15 2.75 84 83 0 0 0 452.0 387 164 138 24 179 452 24 7.71 0.48 3.56 9.00 1.25 -- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 sonned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Would people quit going to that damn rumor blog ran by a scrubs fan already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Jan 17, 2008 -> 11:19 PM) yeah, um... Great work on the graphic. Of course I said nothing about stats, I said same pedigree, meaning they were never as highly thought of, nor expected to be as good. Danks and Floyd were both top picks and top prospects, including inside the top 50. Gallagher and Marshall are not quite the same pedigree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jan 17, 2008 -> 11:52 PM) Would people quit going to that damn rumor blog ran by a scrubs fan already? Its actually pretty good and he has many outside sports writers contributing stories and also information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jan 18, 2008 -> 12:15 AM) Great work on the graphic. Of course I said nothing about stats, I said same pedigree, meaning they were never as highly thought of, nor expected to be as good. Danks and Floyd were both top picks and top prospects, including inside the top 50. Gallagher and Marshall are not quite the same pedigree. Carlos Quentin was also a better "prospect" than Markakis, Young, Jenks, Tulowitski, Hanley, Maybin, and Braun in 2006, regardless of what level they were on. You don't just trade prospects that are that good for DH's in low-A. If Gallagher and Marshall were better than Danks and Floyd, I would not be surprised in the least, especially from what I've seen. Them being top picks/prospects means virtually nothing. Brian Anderson was the 37th best prospect according to BA in 2005 and was a 1st round draft pick; that just so happens to be the year he was ranked 2 spots below Gavin Floyd. If Floyd has value, Anderson has value, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 (edited) QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jan 18, 2008 -> 02:13 AM) Carlos Quentin was also a better "prospect" than Markakis, Young, Jenks, Tulowitski, Hanley, Maybin, and Braun in 2006, regardless of what level they were on. You don't just trade prospects that are that good for DH's in low-A. If Gallagher and Marshall were better than Danks and Floyd, I would not be surprised in the least, especially from what I've seen. Them being top picks/prospects means virtually nothing. Brian Anderson was the 37th best prospect according to BA in 2005 and was a 1st round draft pick; that just so happens to be the year he was ranked 2 spots below Gavin Floyd. If Floyd has value, Anderson has value, no? Especially from what you've seen? You've actually seen Gallagher pitch? Marshall wouldnt be a 5th starter on most AL teams, he really isnt much, but it still doesnt change the fact that I do not believe their ceilings are as high as our two. If you offered Danks and Floyd to for Roberts, do you think they would take it? Whereas Marshall and Gallagher cant sniff Roberts. That should tell you what value each pitcher has. Edited January 18, 2008 by RockRaines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 (edited) Ugh, according to Phil Rogers the talks are back on. I wish they would give up on the thought that the cubs are going to get Bedard and Roberts, they dont have close to the amount of players to get them. I love how the cubs fans keep saying the cubs are "willing to give up Murton and maybe Pie now." Come on, Murton has barely any value and Pie is worth more to the cubs than other teams. Quick edit, apparently Rogers actually had the balls to say that it could be a three team deal where the cubs net Byrd, Bedard and Roberts. He mustve been extremely bored today. Edited January 22, 2008 by RockRaines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jan 16, 2008 -> 09:34 PM) Mark DeRosa had some not-too-happy comments about playing time in a Tribune (?) article today. He's right, too -- they have Fukodome in right, Soriano in left, A-Ram at third, Lee at first and (most likely) Roberts at second. None of those guys are part-time players. Anyways... if the Cubs would sell DeRosa low (and I mean low), I think he'd be a good fit for the Sox. One thing the Sox need is some power hitter off the bench -- DeRosa isn't a real great power hitter but double-digit homers the past two years is pretty bad. The Sox could certainly find time for him (Richar at second, vs some lefties as a DH for Thome), although they'd need to get rid of Uribe first (can't have two guys on the bench making a combined total of close to $10 million). The Sox need a power hitter on the bench? As of today two of Uribe, Crede, and Fields will be on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 21, 2008 -> 08:01 PM) The Sox need a power hitter on the bench? As of today two of Uribe, Crede, and Fields will be on the bench. Neither Crede or Fields will be bench players. Crede will either be starting or gone and Fields will either be starting or in aaa(better be starting). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jan 21, 2008 -> 09:09 PM) Neither Crede or Fields will be bench players. Crede will either be starting or gone and Fields will either be starting or in aaa(better be starting). I'm not ready to give Carlos Quentin the starting LF spot. Fields and Crede can both start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 QUOTE(Brian @ Jan 21, 2008 -> 07:34 PM) I'm not ready to give Carlos Quentin the starting LF spot. Fields and Crede can both start. The team has said firmly that Josh Fields will not be playing LF this season. Anyway, if the team wanted him to do so, he really needed to spend some offseason and winterball time out there, which he hasn't done...so it probably is too late to think of that any more. Either Crede is traded or Josh starts the season in AAA it appears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 QUOTE(Brian @ Jan 21, 2008 -> 09:34 PM) I'm not ready to give Carlos Quentin the starting LF spot. Fields and Crede can both start. Quentin will be starting, my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 I really think the Sox are putting a package together for Bedard and/or Roberts. If Jenks is part of the deal every other player could be fodder BUT VERY USEFUL TO THE ORIOLES (Uribe, Anderson, Massett, Aardesma). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 God I hope KW isnt planning to deal Jenks. A closer like Jenks doesnt come along every day, and I dont know if we can count on Dotel Plus, I want to see the back end of this bullpen as it is constructed right now, because it looks damn good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jan 22, 2008 -> 11:47 AM) Jenks would obviously be of interest to the O's, but the other four names you mentioned have no value to them. Baltimore will be looking for young players with upside. Uribe probably was the worst major league regular in baseball last season, Anderson has crushed his value, Masset is a dime a dozen pitcher, and Aardsma was just DFA'd. They have no value. If they did, I can assure you both Anderson and Uribe would have already been dealt. Vizquel was worse than Uribe last year, and San Francisco was so happy he played like complete horses***, they decided it would be cool to have him back while giving him a raise. Yeah, makes no sense to me either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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