Joe Crede

[southsideirish71]

Reading the ball off the bat is completely diffrent then seeing it out of a pitchers hand.And it isnt something you can teach,you either have that ability or you dont.It is a matter of inches and mila seconds at 3rd base and that ability is very important.

 

So hitting a moving 95 mph fastball from 60 feet 6 inches is something you learn, but catching a ground ball 90 feet away is pure instinct. Wow I learn something new everyday.

Edited December 29, 2007 by southsideirish71

[elrockinMT]

So hitting a moving 95 mph fastball from 60 feet 6 inches is something you learn, but catching a ground ball 90 feet away is pure instinct. Wow I learn something new everyday.

 

 

It doesn't seem to compute. Reaction, location of pitches, the type of pitch, the field, who is bating, etc, all come into play for a fielder. I think spin might actually be in there somewhere

[max power]

Well, one big problem with your analysis there is that you're comparing apples and oranges; you're comparing Joe Crede's career best year, by far, to Josh Fields's rookie 2/3 of a season, which is why you conclude that Joe gives you a better BA/RBI number.

Another problem is Josh has a better RBI/game number even if you were comparing the two.

 

These crede fan boys really crack me up.

Edited December 29, 2007 by max power

[Balta1701]

Another problem is Josh has a better RBI/game number even if you were comparing the two.

 

These crede fan boys really crack me up.

I understand both sides here actually. If the Joe Crede of 2006 could appear and stay healthy for several seasons, I'd have no problem at all with Joe at 3rd. He might be a step below Josh offensively, but he's a step above defensively, and both of them actually have room for enough improvement to make up those gaps (Joe's numbers would have been even better in 06 if he hadn't had his back go out on him again in September).

 

The thing that still pisses me off though is that thanks to Boras's medics, we're in a terrible situation where we either have to trade Fields and then have no choice but to sign Crede or we have to trade Crede when his value is near zero. If Joe would just have done the surgery in October of 06, like the teams' doctors wanted, then maybe Joe could have played some portion of the 07 season and proved he was healthy enough for another team to take a gamble on him. We're in a worse spot than the Phillies were after the 05 season with Thome/Howard...at least then, Thome still had some value and they could get something for him while moving in their young guy, and he was still under contract so whatever team went for him would get him for a couple years. Us on the other hand, have Crede, coming off a down/injured year, with only 1 year left before he's a FA, and no one having any idea if he's healthy.

 

I dunno about you guys, but I still think Crede's decision to listen to Boras's medical people instead of the team's doctors after 06 and delay the surgery hurt us more than any other decision the team has made, including even the Anderson blowup.

[YASNY]

I understand both sides here actually. If the Joe Crede of 2006 could appear and stay healthy for several seasons, I'd have no problem at all with Joe at 3rd. He might be a step below Josh offensively, but he's a step above defensively, and both of them actually have room for enough improvement to make up those gaps (Joe's numbers would have been even better in 06 if he hadn't had his back go out on him again in September).

 

The thing that still pisses me off though is that thanks to Boras's medics, we're in a terrible situation where we either have to trade Fields and then have no choice but to sign Crede or we have to trade Crede when his value is near zero. If Joe would just have done the surgery in October of 06, like the teams' doctors wanted, then maybe Joe could have played some portion of the 07 season and proved he was healthy enough for another team to take a gamble on him. We're in a worse spot than the Phillies were after the 05 season with Thome/Howard...at least then, Thome still had some value and they could get something for him while moving in their young guy, and he was still under contract so whatever team went for him would get him for a couple years. Us on the other hand, have Crede, coming off a down/injured year, with only 1 year left before he's a FA, and no one having any idea if he's healthy.

 

I dunno about you guys, but I still think Crede's decision to listen to Boras's medical people instead of the team's doctors after 06 and delay the surgery hurt us more than any other decision the team has made, including even the Anderson blowup.

 

Maybe, but that was Crede's decision to make. If I was in his shoes, I'd do what I thought was best for me. Back surgery is nothing to take for granted.

[southsideirish71]

It doesn't seem to compute. Reaction, location of pitches, the type of pitch, the field, who is bating, etc, all come into play for a fielder. I think spin might actually be in there somewhere

 

Well in all my years of playing baseball I never heard one coach or player discuss spin as part of the fielding skill set. I have heard a few complain on a ball that got away, that it knuckled, or spun away. But never heard that they attacked a ball based on the spin, especially at the corners. They usually use to base their attack pattern based on the height of the bounce, and the speed of the ball going through the infield. If it was crushed, it was a reaction. But I have never heard anyone say, that when the ball came off the bat that the ball was spinning counterclockwise and it would skid at a 5 degree angle and get a kick off the lip base on that. Here is a clue, all balls that are hit on the ground spin. All of them. Its the bounce and how the ball skids through the grass is how they attack the ball. Now knowing if the grass is cut or long, how the lines play(will a ball stay fair or foul) thats part of the scouting report. Where to position the player is called by the coaching staff.

 

 

 

[elrockinMT]

Maybe, but that was Crede's decision to make. If I was in his shoes, I'd do what I thought was best for me. Back surgery is nothing to take for granted.

 

 

Exactly. Folks need to be concerned about life and the quality of that life after baseball.

[elrockinMT]

Well in all my years of playing baseball I never heard one coach or player discuss spin as part of the fielding skill set. I have heard a few complain on a ball that got away, that it knuckled, or spun away. But never heard that they attacked a ball based on the spin, especially at the corners. They usually use to base their attack pattern based on the height of the bounce, and the speed of the ball going through the infield. If it was crushed, it was a reaction. But I have never heard anyone say, that when the ball came off the bat that the ball was spinning counterclockwise and it would skid at a 5 degree angle and get a kick off the lip base on that. Here is a clue, all balls that are hit on the ground spin. All of them. Its the bounce and how the ball skids through the grass is how they attack the ball. Now knowing if the grass is cut or long, how the lines play(will a ball stay fair or foul) thats part of the scouting report. Where to position the player is called by the coaching staff.

 

 

No argument here on most of what you say. I feel very strongly both ways about this argument.