Clemens on 60 Minutes

[Kid Gleason]

I have been thinking that if Clemens is guilty and Mac was telling the truth, then Clemens is a real POS for putting the guy through all of this when his main concern should be his son.

 

 

[YASNY]

That was how I understood it. McNamee left a message asking Clemens to call his very ill son as his son loved Clemens. Clemens did not call his son and instead tried to bait McNamee. I also believed that McNamee and his son are not in the same place so a call to his son would be contacted by McNamee. Nobody is even saying how s***ty it is that he not call the sick kid that has nothing to do with Clemens who Clemens knew and instead tried to set up McNamee.

 

This whole thing starting to set Clemens up for disaster as it appeared that McNamee really felt bad for doing what he had to stay out of jail and Clemens is starting ot look liek a real jag off.......I wonder if McNamee ahs some real evidence against Clemens. You notice Bonds never pissed on Anderson's Cheerios and Anderson went to jail for him.

 

McNamee has the cards in this thing if he has some good stuff and as Pratt has stated, he could turn Clemens into Pete Rose.

 

Non confrontational question here. Just curious. How do we know Clemens didn't call the kid?

[Harry Chappas]

Non confrontational question here. Just curious. How do we know Clemens didn't call the kid?

 

I don't

[YASNY]

I don't

 

Nuff said.

[Texsox]

And if an athlete of Clemen's porportion did, or did not, use steroids is a much more important topic than some kid dying. Geez, that happens all the time.

[YASNY]

And if an athlete of Clemen's porportion did, or did not, use steroids is a much more important topic than some kid dying. Geez, that happens all the time.

 

Take it to the 'Buster. This is a baseball forum.

[shipps]

Non confrontational question here. Just curious. How do we know Clemens didn't call the kid?

We know that the jackass called the father first.All these years I thought Clemens was considered a jerk and a bad guy because of the things he would do or say regarding on the field issues,but this situation has showed me that he really is a bad person.

[Gregory Pratt]

I think it was in a news story that McNamee's lawyer said Clemens didn't call but I could be mistaken on that point, specifically.

[Texsox]

Take it to the 'Buster. This is a baseball forum.

Thought it was about jewelry

[ChiTown364]

Next up in the octagon for UFC 81, Clemens and McNamee.

[shipps]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3205468

 

[knightni]

The truth is finally out!

 

[ChiTown364]

Clemens will never cease to amaze me.

[YASNY]

That's just wrong.

[Texsox]

[Brian]

from TMZ.com

 

The FOX show "The Moment of Truth" -- which premiered to 23 million people on Wednesday -- sent a letter to the Rocket's manager, asking Roger to appear. Contestants on the show are asked a series of questions while hooked up to a polygraph machine -- and then have to own up to their answers in front of an audience comprised of their friends and relatives.

 

Howard Schultz, creator and Exec. Producer of the show, says Roger can put the steroids question to rest once and for all -- and donate his winnings to the charity of his choice. Schultz writes, "People have stood in awe at your incredible accomplishments in baseball. This show could let the world know that you are an incredibly courageous person, as well as to clear your name in front of a nationwide audience, all in the name of charity."

[Gregory Pratt]

lol

[Controlled Chaos]

McNamee's lawyers say physical evidence backs drug use by Clemens, who's going back to Hill

By RONALD BLUM, AP Baseball Writer

February 7, 2008

 

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NEW YORK (AP) -- Brian McNamee and Roger Clemens both planned to be on Capitol Hill for a day of separate meetings and vastly different stories.

 

McNamee gave federal prosecutors syringes and other physical evidence his lawyers say back the personal trainer's allegations of drug use by the star pitcher.

 

Clemens, who gave a deposition Tuesday, was scheduled to hold one-on-one meetings Thursday with members of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, two people familiar with the plans said, speaking on condition of anonymity because no announcement was made.

 

Among the members Clemens planned to meet with was Rep. Tom Davis, the committee's ranking Republican, one of the people said. Committee chairman Henry Waxman is not scheduled to meet with Clemens.

 

McNamee was due to meet with committee staff Thursday morning to give his own deposition, and his legal team said it will bolster his story with details of the evidence.

 

His side turned over gauze pads and syringes they said had Clemens' blood to IRS Special Agent Jeff Novitzky in early January, a person familiar with the evidence said, speaking on condition of anonymity because McNamee's lawyers did not want to publicly discuss details. The syringes were used to inject Clemens with steroids and human growth hormone, the person said. A second person, also speaking on condition of anonymity, said the evidence was from 2000 and 2001.

 

"I think this is a significant point in the case. We believe that this is significant corroboration," said McNamee's lead lawyer, Earl Ward.

 

Lanny Breuer, one of Clemens' lawyers, called McNamee's allegations "desperate smears" and said the trainer "apparently has manufactured evidence."

 

"It is just not credible," Breuer said in a statement. "Who in their right mind does such a thing?"

 

In December's Mitchell Report on doping in baseball, McNamee said he injected Clemens 16 times with performance-enhancing drugs in 1998, 2000 and 2001.

 

Richard Emery, another of McNamee's lawyers, said the committee will be given a description of the evidence that was turned over to prosecutors.

 

"It does change the nature of the case from a he-said, she-said to something about physical evidence," Emery said.

 

Doping expert Don Catlin said steroids still could be detected in a sample that old.

 

"But if you don't find it, it doesn't mean it wasn't there before," said Catlin, who added there are sure to be chain-of-custody issues.

 

He said HGH would be much less stable.

 

After his five-hour sworn deposition Tuesday, Clemens said that he again denied using performance-enchancing drugs. By denying under oath that he used performance-enhancing drugs, Clemens put himself at legal risk.

 

Keith Ausbrook, the committee's Republican general counsel, told The Associated Press the committee was not aware that such physical evidence existed.

 

"Unknown and unexpected evidence comes in at all times in any investigation," Ausbrook wrote in an e-mail. "We will still need to examine McNamee's evidence and hear what he has to say."

 

McNamee, the former personal trainer for Clemens and Yankees pitcher Andy Pettitte, also told former Senate majority leader George Mitchell that he injected Pettitte with HGH. Pettitte confirmed in December that he used HGH for two days.

 

Emery said McNamee's legal team planned to hold a news conference following their client's deposition in Washington on Thursday and will discuss the evidence in greater detail then. Because the items were turned over several years after the events under discussion, Clemens' side could challenge whether they were tampered with.

 

"Brian McNamee is obviously a troubled man who is obsessed with doing everything possible to destroy Roger Clemens," Breuer said in a statement. "McNamee lied to the police who were investigating him for sexual assault, he lied to Senator Mitchell, he lied to the federal government, and now he apparently has manufactured evidence. He has changed his story repeatedly on this matter. He claims to love Roger Clemens, he says he modeled being a father on Roger Clemens, he said Roger treated him like family -- but he now claims he kept blood, gauze, and needles from Roger Clemens for seven years. It defies all sensibility."

 

Emery said it was unnecessary for McNamee's side to persuade the Justice Department that the evidence was authentic.

 

"They'll decide themselves what they believe is the case and make their own decisions based on the facts as they have it. All we know is what we believe is the truth," he said.

 

McNamee's turning over of the syringes first was reported by the New York Daily News on its Web site.

 

Clemens and McNamee are to testify at a committee hearing next Wednesday along with Pettitte, former Yankees second baseman Chuck Knoblauch and Kirk Radomski, the former New York Mets clubhouse attendant who pleaded guilty in April to felony charges of distributing steroids and laundering money. He is scheduled to be sentenced Friday in federal court in San Francisco.

 

"Roger is looking forward to testifying before Congress next week to set the record straight," Breuer said. "He will not waiver, nor will he shrink from this because he is telling the truth. We ask all fair-minded people to listen. It is time for Brian McNamee to be subject to the same scrutiny as Roger Clemens."

 

AP sports writers Howard Fendrich in Washington and Eddie Pells in Denver contributed to this report.

 

 

 

 

[Kyyle23]

Why would McNamee keep those syringes/physical evidence? If him and Roger were cool before, then there is no reason for him to keep those syringes/physical evidence unless he planned on turning on him at one point.

[Controlled Chaos]

Why would McNamee keep those syringes/physical evidence? If him and Roger were cool before, then there is no reason for him to keep those syringes/physical evidence unless he planned on turning on him at one point.

Who knows? Maybe so nobody else could find them in the garbage or something?? Maybe to protect himself in case s*** hit the fan. I don't really know...but I can't see the guy manufacturing evidence.

[Gregory Pratt]

Why would he keep the evidence? Because Clemens is a known hothead (see Piazza, Mike), for one, and you want to protect yourself.

 

Because anytime you are the subordinate working for a bigger party, and they are doing something wrong with you, you want some proof that they knew about it; it's a way to keep your boss from throwing you to the wolves.

 

And no, he probably didn't manufacture this evidence to turn over to the Government. I can't say for 100% sure, but I'm 95% sure. It doesn't pass the logic test: why would he make it up knowing full well that they can test it and throw his ass into prison?

 

I hope like hell that this turns out to be true and Clemens loses his future in baseball, like Pete Rose. I've said it before: Roger is playing a dangerous game, with these denials, and now that there is apparently physical proof he might have lost.

 

Of course, we'll have to wait and see what these things say, but Clemens is clearly in trouble.

[Kyyle23]

Why would he keep the evidence? Because Clemens is a known hothead (see Piazza, Mike), for one, and you want to protect yourself.

 

Because anytime you are the subordinate working for a bigger party, and they are doing something wrong with you, you want some proof that they knew about it; it's a way to keep your boss from throwing you to the wolves.

 

And no, he probably didn't manufacture this evidence to turn over to the Government. I can't say for 100% sure, but I'm 95% sure. It doesn't pass the logic test: why would he make it up knowing full well that they can test it and throw his ass into prison?

 

I hope like hell that this turns out to be true and Clemens loses his future in baseball, like Pete Rose. I've said it before: Roger is playing a dangerous game, with these denials, and now that there is apparently physical proof he might have lost.

 

Of course, we'll have to wait and see what these things say, but Clemens is clearly in trouble.

 

How would one be able to tell the difference between manufactured/doctored evidence and the real thing?

 

[Controlled Chaos]

How would one be able to tell the difference between manufactured/doctored evidence and the real thing?

Well if it has Clemens blood or DNA on there as well as the traces of HGH or steriods or whatever...that would be enough for me. I mean I guess his lawyers can argue that he some how he added the HGH or steroids to the syringe from the B12 on his own. Then they'll test if the syringe has any trace of B12 or whatever. If Clemens was really smart and thinking ahead, I guess he could have made sure to use the same syringe. I don't know. I suppose they'll have a defense and reasonable doubt no matter what.

[Texsox]

Why would McNamee keep those syringes/physical evidence? If him and Roger were cool before, then there is no reason for him to keep those syringes/physical evidence unless he planned on turning on him at one point.

 

Couple theories

 

Clemens is guilty

McNamee was going to blackmail Clemens with real / faked "evidence"

[Kyyle23]

Well if it has Clemens blood or DNA on there as well as the traces of HGH or steriods or whatever...that would be enough for me. I mean I guess his lawyers can argue that he some how he added the HGH or steroids to the syringe from the B12 on his own. Then they'll test if the syringe has any trace of B12 or whatever. If Clemens was really smart and thinking ahead, I guess he could have made sure to use the same syringe. I don't know. I suppose they'll have a defense and reasonable doubt no matter what.

 

This is what ia m thinking. The evidence is going to be disputed as manufactured eveidence, how do you disprove that McNamee didnt add some sort of Clemens DNA/Blood to a syringe of HGH or steroids, or if it is in fact a true piece of evidence that Clemens used steroids?