NorthSideSox72 Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Jan 8, 2008 -> 10:19 PM) Did anyone, and I mean anyone, predict this? Well, when all the polls were showing Obama with a lead, Suffolk/WNHN showed a Clinton lead or a tie or close to it. They seemed to have it right. Seems like Iowa and NH have shown us that the local polling organizations (DSM Register in Iowa's case) seem to be the most reliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Not even Hillary. I think Edwards is running to be a kingmaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Jan 8, 2008 -> 10:22 PM) I think Edwards is running to be a kingmaker. That's what I've been thinking. Seems to me he is more aligned with Obama, but who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 8, 2008 -> 09:23 PM) That's what I've been thinking. Seems to me he is more aligned with Obama, but who knows. They are both about change, but Obama tends to be less specific and extremely positive in the speeches I've seen, and Edwards tends to be more specific, and extremely angry in his speeches that I've heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 QUOTE(spiderman @ Jan 8, 2008 -> 10:24 PM) They are both about change, but Obama tends to be less specific and extremely positive in the speeches I've seen, and Edwards tends to be more specific, and extremely angry in his speeches that I've heard. I don't see that at all. Edwards is specific about his history and his upbringing, and about random people suffering, but he says absolutely nothing about policy. Obama is far more specific on that than Edwards or Clinton. The only candidate left for the Dems who is more specific on issues than Obama is Richardson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 I like having this thing not decided by an Obama blowout by the way. The longer this remains a two or three person race, the stronger the eventual nominee will become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Over 5000 votes. It's been over for a while. And I think this gives Hillary the nomination too. Damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 NBC and the AP have called it for Clinton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 AP calls it for Hillary. And no this doesn't give Hillary the nomination. SC does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 8, 2008 -> 09:30 PM) NBC and the AP have called it for Clinton. Chris Matthews can't be happy about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Jan 8, 2008 -> 07:30 PM) AP calls it for Hillary. And no this doesn't give Hillary the nomination. SC does. The rule I was going by was that Clinton would win the nomination if she won either Iowa or N.H. And I still believe that. She was so far ahead in the majority of the Super Tuesday states that the only way to make a race of it was going to be to pound her down from the start. This will give her the nomination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 South Carolina becomes so important here. The vote is nearly 50% African American in the Dem primary. If Obama wins, its still up for grabs. If Clinton wins the AA vote, Obama is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Jan 8, 2008 -> 10:30 PM) AP calls it for Hillary. And no this doesn't give Hillary the nomination. SC does. CNN doesn't want to call it yet because the college towns are still to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 QUOTE(Felix @ Jan 8, 2008 -> 07:37 PM) CNN doesn't want to call it yet because the college towns are still to go. The vote margin is now 6200 votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 CNN is just being super cautious. The votes just aren't there for Obama. Obama's biggest challenge is being seen as electable. Same for Clinton. The turnout has been so huge for the Primary this year, though. How awesome is this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 CNN calls it for Hillary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Clinton Vs. McCain. My God, the media is going to go harder for the Republican candidate than they did in 2000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 So Clinton's back as the favorite now I presume. What does Obama have to do to win the nomination now? Win most of the upcoming major primaries I assume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jan 8, 2008 -> 07:47 PM) So Clinton's back as the favorite now I presume. What does Obama have to do to win the nomination now? Win most of the upcoming major primaries I assume. I don't think that winning Nevada and S.C. is going to be enough. Clinton will take Michigan, and even if Obama wins those 2, he still has to find a way to dent Clinton on Super Tuesday, and I don't think he'll be able to do that. Maybe if Edwards dropped out and endorsed him, but other than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 As I watch these speeches I am trying to figure out which one of this dem's will take the biggest chunk out of me with a tax increase. Very depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 What's Super Tuesday Balta (for the uneducated such as myself). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 28 states have their Primary/Caucus on Tuesday Feb 5. There was Super Tuesday which was about 15 contests. Because Feb 5 has gotten so large, its now often referred to as Sooper Dooper Tuesday or Tsunami Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 oh God... she pulled the emotion and "comeback kid" stuff in her speech. Gag me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 8, 2008 -> 09:49 PM) Maybe if Edwards dropped out and endorsed him, but other than that. Edwards is too damn stubborn to do that. He wont drop out until it is too late for Obama even if he CLEARLY has no chance of winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 8, 2008 -> 10:49 PM) I don't think that winning Nevada and S.C. is going to be enough. Clinton will take Michigan, and even if Obama wins those 2, he still has to find a way to dent Clinton on Super Tuesday, and I don't think he'll be able to do that. Maybe if Edwards dropped out and endorsed him, but other than that. Michigan has no delegates. And Obama isn't even on the ballot there. NV is important for Obama, less so than SC though. If both these states keep them neck and neck however, we'll see this go through Super Tuesday. Clinton will win NY, probably NJ and CT as well... Obama will do well in IL, WI, MO and a large part of the South. Partially because of his IL roots, partially because he is African American and southern primaries for the Dems have a super high African American component, and partially because he does very well with church going Democrats, according to NH exit polls. I think Clinton/Obama 08, Obama/Clinton 08 is becoming much more likely as this contest continues to draw on. Trivia: Hillary Clinton now officially becomes the best performing woman candidate for President in US history. Who held this spot previously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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