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QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Apr 22, 2008 -> 08:28 PM)
In case anyone was curious, Gagne is still horrible. He just blew another save

 

I still can't decide which team to root for when they play each other. The Brewers still have a lot of the bad mojo they had the 2nd half last year (costly errors, bad managerial decisions, etc).

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QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Apr 22, 2008 -> 08:41 PM)
BTW, Pujols is playing 2nd....

 

Wow, that's awesome. Do the Brewers have the first bullpen where every guy has been busted for steroids? Gagne/Mota/Turnbow....but I'm sure Torres is clean :)

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Man are the D-backs fun to watch. Webb, Haren and Owings are a combined 12-0. I can't think of a better trio at the moment. They're much better offensively than they were a year ago. Bullpen is still solid. There's nobody close to them in the NL right now (that includes the Cubs, fathom).

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QUOTE (thedoctor @ Apr 23, 2008 -> 08:38 AM)

Kinda sad actually, IMO. Krivsky hasn't been the greatest, you can question a few of his decisions over the years (i.e. the Kearns trade, etc.), but it looks like in the last year or so he's finally got that ship righted, and between Harang, Arroyo, Cueto, Volquez, and Bailey, they've got a pitching staff that within a year or two ought to be putting them at the top of the Central out there.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 23, 2008 -> 05:03 PM)
Kinda sad actually, IMO. Krivsky hasn't been the greatest, you can question a few of his decisions over the years (i.e. the Kearns trade, etc.), but it looks like in the last year or so he's finally got that ship righted, and between Harang, Arroyo, Cueto, Volquez, and Bailey, they've got a pitching staff that within a year or two ought to be putting them at the top of the Central out there.

 

yeah, he got a lot better once he got over his infatuation with twins' rejects.

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QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 23, 2008 -> 07:27 PM)
The Mets are going to regret that huge extension to Johan. I guess I was the only person alarmed by his home run totals last year and loss of velocity. Now, he's giving up 2 out, 2 rbi hits to Tim Redding.

 

He gives up solo homers. His WHIP is still awesome. He'll be fine. I don't think they will regret anything.

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QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 24, 2008 -> 08:42 PM)
Chipper Jones, you are ridiculous!

Yeah, he's been hitting out of his mind. I have him on my fantasy team and every night when I check the stats I can't believe the numbers he's been putting up.

 

I was suprised to hear that some don't think he's a slam dunk HOFer. I think with the other 3bers in HOF he is definitely in.

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QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Apr 25, 2008 -> 07:47 AM)
Yeah, he's been hitting out of his mind. I have him on my fantasy team and every night when I check the stats I can't believe the numbers he's been putting up.

 

I was suprised to hear that some don't think he's a slam dunk HOFer. I think with the other 3bers in HOF he is definitely in.

Chipper's problems are 2-fold. First, his numbers aren't the greatest when you compare them to the other people of his era...many of whom juiced, yes, but still. Second, he's been hurt too often to really pile up the numbers the last few years. A couple full, healthy seasons would really finish off the case.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 25, 2008 -> 10:55 AM)
Chipper's problems are 2-fold. First, his numbers aren't the greatest when you compare them to the other people of his era...many of whom juiced, yes, but still. Second, he's been hurt too often to really pile up the numbers the last few years. A couple full, healthy seasons would really finish off the case.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/jonesch06.shtml

 

His career OPS+ is 144 (granted that's slightly thrown off by his insane start to this year) which is very solid. He did have 8 straight years of 150+ games played, but you are right the last few years have been slowed by injuries. He does have an MVP in '99 and a WS title in his plus column as well. Also, I've never heard his name connected to steroids, could be out there and I just missed it though. I think you might see some people from this era without eye popping numbers slide in if they were considered "clean".

 

Also, "only" 1 world series or not, that Braves run was awesome. Maddux and Glavine are no doubters, IMO Smoltz is too, but I can't think of another position player from the Braves that will go in. So Chipper might get a boost as the position player rep from all those Division Champs.

 

You are right though, he likely needs a few more solid years to solidify it, but I think he is HOFer right now

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QUOTE (knightni @ Apr 25, 2008 -> 02:56 PM)
Player one: .309 BA 1314 R 2155 H 393 HR 1319 RBI .954 F%

 

Player two: .277 BA 1138 R 2254 H 342 HR 1331 RBI .948 F%

 

Who is whom?

Larry Jones and Ron Santo

 

Santo's OPS+ is 125, but in his defense he has his last few lackluster years in that. Also, Chippers career RC/G is 8.3, Santo had one season above that.

 

But if Santo is borderline HOF then the argument above that Chipper needs this season and another solid season or two is supported by this.

 

(edit was with RC/G numbers, I messed them up orig.)

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