fathom Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Apr 22, 2008 -> 08:28 PM) In case anyone was curious, Gagne is still horrible. He just blew another save I still can't decide which team to root for when they play each other. The Brewers still have a lot of the bad mojo they had the 2nd half last year (costly errors, bad managerial decisions, etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Apr 22, 2008 -> 08:41 PM) BTW, Pujols is playing 2nd.... Wow, that's awesome. Do the Brewers have the first bullpen where every guy has been busted for steroids? Gagne/Mota/Turnbow....but I'm sure Torres is clean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 22, 2008 -> 04:42 PM) Wow, that's awesome. Do the Brewers have the first bullpen where every guy has been busted for steroids? Gagne/Mota/Turnbow....but I'm sure Torres is clean When did Mota and Turnbow get caught? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Apr 22, 2008 -> 01:14 PM) When did Mota and Turnbow get caught? Mota got a 50 game suspension to start 07. Turnbow tested positive back when trying out for the US Olympic team about 5 years ago, and thus USADA was the one doing the tests there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 BTW, Pujols is playing 2nd.... Ohh the fantasy impact of pujols at second Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Josh Beckett missing another start tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSoxfan1986 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 I wonder if the Brewers would consider moving Sheets to closer. Please, Ned, stop hitting Kendall 9th. Hit him leadoff and move Weeks down in the order where he belongs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 (edited) Man are the D-backs fun to watch. Webb, Haren and Owings are a combined 12-0. I can't think of a better trio at the moment. They're much better offensively than they were a year ago. Bullpen is still solid. There's nobody close to them in the NL right now (that includes the Cubs, fathom). Edited April 23, 2008 by Jordan4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 reds fire wayne krivsky, hire walt jocketty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 QUOTE (thedoctor @ Apr 23, 2008 -> 08:38 AM) reds fire wayne krivsky, hire walt jocketty Kinda sad actually, IMO. Krivsky hasn't been the greatest, you can question a few of his decisions over the years (i.e. the Kearns trade, etc.), but it looks like in the last year or so he's finally got that ship righted, and between Harang, Arroyo, Cueto, Volquez, and Bailey, they've got a pitching staff that within a year or two ought to be putting them at the top of the Central out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 23, 2008 -> 05:03 PM) Kinda sad actually, IMO. Krivsky hasn't been the greatest, you can question a few of his decisions over the years (i.e. the Kearns trade, etc.), but it looks like in the last year or so he's finally got that ship righted, and between Harang, Arroyo, Cueto, Volquez, and Bailey, they've got a pitching staff that within a year or two ought to be putting them at the top of the Central out there. yeah, he got a lot better once he got over his infatuation with twins' rejects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 He brought in Dusty Baker though. There's no worse sin in the game of baseball today, especially with as many good young arms as the Reds have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 23, 2008 -> 11:41 AM) He brought in Dusty Baker though. There's no worse sin in the game of baseball today, especially with as many good young arms as the Reds have. Joe Girardi says HI! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 The Mets are going to regret that huge extension to Johan. I guess I was the only person alarmed by his home run totals last year and loss of velocity. Now, he's giving up 2 out, 2 rbi hits to Tim Redding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 23, 2008 -> 07:27 PM) The Mets are going to regret that huge extension to Johan. I guess I was the only person alarmed by his home run totals last year and loss of velocity. Now, he's giving up 2 out, 2 rbi hits to Tim Redding. He gives up solo homers. His WHIP is still awesome. He'll be fine. I don't think they will regret anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Chipper Jones, you are ridiculous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 24, 2008 -> 08:42 PM) Chipper Jones, you are ridiculous! Yeah, he's been hitting out of his mind. I have him on my fantasy team and every night when I check the stats I can't believe the numbers he's been putting up. I was suprised to hear that some don't think he's a slam dunk HOFer. I think with the other 3bers in HOF he is definitely in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Apr 25, 2008 -> 07:47 AM) Yeah, he's been hitting out of his mind. I have him on my fantasy team and every night when I check the stats I can't believe the numbers he's been putting up. I was suprised to hear that some don't think he's a slam dunk HOFer. I think with the other 3bers in HOF he is definitely in. Chipper's problems are 2-fold. First, his numbers aren't the greatest when you compare them to the other people of his era...many of whom juiced, yes, but still. Second, he's been hurt too often to really pile up the numbers the last few years. A couple full, healthy seasons would really finish off the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 25, 2008 -> 10:55 AM) Chipper's problems are 2-fold. First, his numbers aren't the greatest when you compare them to the other people of his era...many of whom juiced, yes, but still. Second, he's been hurt too often to really pile up the numbers the last few years. A couple full, healthy seasons would really finish off the case. http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/jonesch06.shtml His career OPS+ is 144 (granted that's slightly thrown off by his insane start to this year) which is very solid. He did have 8 straight years of 150+ games played, but you are right the last few years have been slowed by injuries. He does have an MVP in '99 and a WS title in his plus column as well. Also, I've never heard his name connected to steroids, could be out there and I just missed it though. I think you might see some people from this era without eye popping numbers slide in if they were considered "clean". Also, "only" 1 world series or not, that Braves run was awesome. Maddux and Glavine are no doubters, IMO Smoltz is too, but I can't think of another position player from the Braves that will go in. So Chipper might get a boost as the position player rep from all those Division Champs. You are right though, he likely needs a few more solid years to solidify it, but I think he is HOFer right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted April 25, 2008 Author Share Posted April 25, 2008 Player one: .309 BA 1314 R 2155 H 393 HR 1319 RBI .954 F% Player two: .277 BA 1138 R 2254 H 342 HR 1331 RBI .948 F% Who is whom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Player A has 1159 less career ABs not to mention an OPS that's 127 points higher and an OPS+ that's 19 points higher. HUGE difference in offensive value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (knightni @ Apr 25, 2008 -> 02:56 PM) Player one: .309 BA 1314 R 2155 H 393 HR 1319 RBI .954 F% Player two: .277 BA 1138 R 2254 H 342 HR 1331 RBI .948 F% Who is whom? Larry Jones and Ron Santo Santo's OPS+ is 125, but in his defense he has his last few lackluster years in that. Also, Chippers career RC/G is 8.3, Santo had one season above that. But if Santo is borderline HOF then the argument above that Chipper needs this season and another solid season or two is supported by this. (edit was with RC/G numbers, I messed them up orig.) Edited April 25, 2008 by SoxFan562004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Chipper has the highest OPS of any 3B in the history of the game. (46 points higher than Schmidt) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Apr 25, 2008 -> 04:16 PM) Chipper has the highest OPS of any 3B in the history of the game. (46 points higher than Schmidt) He's 1st ballot, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Apr 25, 2008 -> 03:18 PM) He's 1st ballot, IMO. I agree, I also think he has 4 or so REALLY good years left in him so he should get pretty close to 500 HRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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