sox-r-us Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...1,5513219.story Good thing Mcdougal is not going anywhere....I expect a good rebound season from him. If he does rebound, our bullpen will be sick .... and when you can make a game 6 innings long, you should like your chances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Keeping Mac makes sense to me, and I think he will rebound. I'm willing to gamble his trade value by opening the season with him in MR. I think he'll produce and get some hitters out this year, refocused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Sounds to me like KW is shopping MacD - which I think is a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 I was looking at the article stating that Dotel was 100% healthy, and this little KW gem was at the bottom Williams believes the Sox have enough upgrades to anoint themselves as a postseason contender after a 90-loss season. "I think we have some of the most balance in the division," Williams said. "We certainly have some stiff competition, but if you went player-to-player, position-by-position, we stack up against anybody in the division. "I will grant the Detroit Tigers are probably going to prove to be the best offensive team in baseball. Aside from that, on an overall balanced level, we just think we're in a position to battle for 162 games with what we have and hopefully come out as a division winner." We have some of the most balance? What exactly is some of the most balance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 23, 2008 -> 08:21 AM) Sounds to me like KW is shopping MacD - which I think is a good idea. hmm possibly, but i'm also hoping by saying our rotation is set that it means he's looking for another arm. he just pretty much needs to if we're gonna compete... i seem to recall a certain 5th starter problem this club used to have... hmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Detroit will be tough, but man to man we are also a tough team and pitching and defense will make the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jan 23, 2008 -> 10:03 AM) I was looking at the article stating that Dotel was 100% healthy, and this little KW gem was at the bottom We have some of the most balance? What exactly is some of the most balance? Delusional visions of Floyd, Danks, Quentin, Richar, and Contreras... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 23, 2008 -> 08:21 AM) Sounds to me like KW is shopping MacD - which I think is a good idea. I am torn. Part of me knows that they way relievers go up and down, this might be the bounceback year. His arm hasn't changed at all, and if they could fix him, he is closer material. If he comes back and pitches like last year, he couldn't middle relieve at Great Falls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 23, 2008 -> 01:51 PM) I am torn. Part of me knows that they way relievers go up and down, this might be the bounceback year. His arm hasn't changed at all, and if they could fix him, he is closer material. If he comes back and pitches like last year, he couldn't middle relieve at Great Falls. Most relievers are up and down. Its just that you can see some consistent patterns if you look deeper at the numbers - and MacD's numbers show me a guy who crumbles under pressure. Plus the Sox have a bunch of short/setup/role relievers and no long/middle guy who can go 2 or 3 innings and occasionally start, especially with the risky back end of the rotation. I'd rather have this pen: Jenks Linebrink Dotel Thornton Logan Wassermann Broadway/Masset/Haeger Than this one: Jenks Linebrink Dotel Thornton Logan Wassermann MacDougal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaus kinski Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 We need to sign the shortstop to an extention Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 23, 2008 -> 12:56 PM) Most relievers are up and down. Its just that you can see some consistent patterns if you look deeper at the numbers - and MacD's numbers show me a guy who crumbles under pressure. Plus the Sox have a bunch of short/setup/role relievers and no long/middle guy who can go 2 or 3 innings and occasionally start, especially with the risky back end of the rotation. I'd rather have this pen: Jenks Linebrink Dotel Thornton Logan Wassermann Broadway/Masset/Haeger Than this one: Jenks Linebrink Dotel Thornton Logan Wassermann MacDougal Masset has to make the 25 man, doesn't he? That could be bad news for Ehren/Booner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jan 23, 2008 -> 02:21 PM) Masset has to make the 25 man, doesn't he? That could be bad news for Ehren/Booner. Masset and Floyd both do. That's why I think Masset becomes the long man, or gets released. And if they do add a new starter, than Danks goes to AAA and Floyd stays in the rotation. I think it would be fairly stupid to have Masset be a short reliever and replace either Wassermann or Logan, both of whom are just a lot more reliable and valuable in that role than he would be. Whereas Masset could maybe be worth a shot as that long guy with an occasional start, which none of the rest of that pen can really do. I think if Ehren Wassermann tried to start, his arm would fly off around the 3rd inning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 (edited) Mac might still have it in him yo be successful. He was limited by injuries and so was Dotel. The cardiac rehabilitation team may have done a good job with both. Let's hope so. The post saying the Sox need to sign the SS to an extension. Does the SS want to? Do the Sox? I am still miffed by the issue with Crede and will continue to grind my teeth, stomp my feet and be generally all mad like. Edited January 23, 2008 by elrockinMT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowand's rowdies Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 bye bye masset hound, those 94mph gems belt high and high and over the fence will be missed, by everyone we play. our bullpen could be pretty good boys. Logan and Thornton as lefties, Mac and Dotel as Set up, and Linebrink and Wasserman as the guys who come in to help out Danks and Floyd. Jenks is Jenks. If 3 of the 7 have above average years, 3 of the 7 have average years, and 1 has a below average, were still looking at a top 10 bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 QUOTE(elrockinMT @ Jan 23, 2008 -> 08:14 AM) Detroit will be tough, but man to man we are also a tough team and pitching and defense will make the difference. agreed, which is why i would like to see crede playing 3b instead of fields. there's no comparison, and that's not a knock on josh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwolf68 Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 (edited) Looking at this SOx team...I think they can be very good, but they have a bunch of guys right on the edge of breaking down. This organization will be the worst in baseball in 2 years, but if we get another Title out of it, I wont give a damn. There is absolutely NO FUTURE in Chicago, but Williams has put together a reasonable present. If we can find someone in the rotation, if our AARP guys stay healthy and we get comeback seasons from some players we count on then this team could make things interesting. Edited January 23, 2008 by kwolf68 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted January 23, 2008 Author Share Posted January 23, 2008 QUOTE(kwolf68 @ Jan 23, 2008 -> 09:40 PM) This organization will be the worst in baseball in 2 years... There is absolutely NO FUTURE in Chicago.... Over-react much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 QUOTE(kwolf68 @ Jan 23, 2008 -> 04:40 PM) There is absolutely NO FUTURE in Chicago. I totally agree. I mean Swisher is 27 (and signed for 4 years with a option for a 5th), Quentin is 25, Fields is 25, Owens is 26, Richar is 24, Danks is 22, Floyd is 24, Jenks is 26, and Buehrle is still only 28, and we've got a top 10 pick in this years draft...no future whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jan 23, 2008 -> 07:35 PM) I totally agree. I mean Swisher is 27 (and signed for 4 years with a option for a 5th), Quentin is 25, Fields is 25, Owens is 26, Richar is 24, Danks is 22, Floyd is 24, Jenks is 26, and Buehrle is still only 28, and we've got a top 10 pick in this years draft...no future whatsoever. GOOD POST Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 SOS from KW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Paw Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 the only reason the farm system sucks is a lot of our young guys are in the majors already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 (edited) QUOTE(soxfandude @ Jan 27, 2008 -> 08:03 PM) the only reason the farm system sucks is a lot of our young guys are in the majors already Welcome to Soxtalk. I hope you find your stay here enjoyable, enlightening and educational. Edited January 28, 2008 by YASNY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jan 23, 2008 -> 05:35 PM) I totally agree. I mean Swisher is 27 (and signed for 4 years with a option for a 5th), Quentin is 25, Fields is 25, Owens is 26, Richar is 24, Danks is 22, Floyd is 24, Jenks is 26, and Buehrle is still only 28, and we've got a top 10 pick in this years draft...no future whatsoever. Good post. All of those guys are under our control for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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