Balta1701 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 10:31 AM) Just a point of reference: Buehrle makes $14M a year, $15M if said team trades for him. Ooops. Make it a $2 million first baseman and the math still ads up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 What the Baseball Mogul game says about the trade: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/MW1...antanatrade.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 QUOTE(knightni @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 06:26 PM) What the Baseball Mogul game says about the trade: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/MW1...antanatrade.jpg I really do enjoy that game, but the prospects are all rated very poorly, so the trade would be very lopsided there (atleast current players put in as prospects). You can also notice that Santana is making about 12 mill for the next 3 years there, dont know where that came from. And as an example of the prospects, just look at F. Martinez, hes rated as 52/76, when his ceiling should be somewhere in the 90s. Still I got a good laugh out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 QUOTE(bigruss22 @ Jan 30, 2008 -> 06:17 PM) I really do enjoy that game, but the prospects are all rated very poorly, so the trade would be very lopsided there (atleast current players put in as prospects). You can also notice that Santana is making about 12 mill for the next 3 years there, dont know where that came from. And as an example of the prospects, just look at F. Martinez, hes rated as 52/76, when his ceiling should be somewhere in the 90s. Still I got a good laugh out of it. Doesn't the scale go up to 80? I think 76 is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 QUOTE(max power @ Jan 31, 2008 -> 12:56 PM) Doesn't the scale go up to 80? I think 76 is right. No, that game goes up to the usual 100, its not the scouting scale that they use, so really they say he should be a fringe starter/ backup in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 "Not so fast, my friend" Mets, Santana differ on length of contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockren Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 QUOTE(knightni @ Jan 31, 2008 -> 06:51 PM) "Not so fast, my friend" Mets, Santana differ on length of contract Well what are the Mets suppose to say? Johan will get what he wants and the Mets will give it. They knew what Johan wanted going in. It'll get done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 QUOTE(rockren @ Jan 31, 2008 -> 07:56 PM) Well what are the Mets suppose to say? Johan will get what he wants and the Mets will give it. They knew what Johan wanted going in. It'll get done. They're just going to try to turn the last year into a vesting option. Makes sense for the Mets to push that as it cuts their risk slightly if he gets hurt. They'll probably offer him up another carrot in exchange, maybe a little more money earlier, maybe a 2nd option year, something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 31, 2008 -> 10:03 PM) They're just going to try to turn the last year into a vesting option. Makes sense for the Mets to push that as it cuts their risk slightly if he gets hurt. They'll probably offer him up another carrot in exchange, maybe a little more money earlier, maybe a 2nd option year, something like that. I agree. Could you imagine the disaster that would be on the Mets hands if they couldn't sign him and he wound up with the Yankees? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 I know everyone's all over Minnesota about not getting good value or whatever, or losing out on what people believe are better offers from other organizations, but I'm not better at scouting than the Minnesota Twins and neither are you, Dear Reader and Critic of the Twins. Now I'm not saying that they've analyzed correctly -- just that before conventional wisdom takes over and says the Twins hosed themselves, we should remember that the Twins are the best in baseball at scouting, scouting everyone at every level precisely. I'll wait and see before I call Smith an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 One of the panelists on Chicago Tribune Live said that Santana's agent told the Twins if there was no deal by Tuesday night, they would not allow any trade (Santana has a no-trade clause). Also, that Santana demanded to go to a team that has ST in Florida. FWIW... What a s***ty position for the Twins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 QUOTE(sircaffey @ Jan 31, 2008 -> 08:19 PM) One of the panelists on Chicago Tribune Live said that Santana's agent told the Twins if there was no deal by Tuesday night, they would not allow any trade (Santana has a no-trade clause). Also, that Santana demanded to go to a team that has ST in Florida. FWIW... What a s***ty position for the Twins. Well, as far as I can tell, that doesn't make any sense at all, because from what I'm reading the window for the Mets to negotiate an extension with him ends at 5:00 ET tomorrow. So I have no idea where Tuesday night fits in to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 31, 2008 -> 10:22 PM) Well, as far as I can tell, that doesn't make any sense at all, because from what I'm reading the window for the Mets to negotiate an extension with him ends at 5:00 ET tomorrow. So I have no idea where Tuesday night fits in to this. By "deal" he means "trade." If Johan wasn't traded by Tuesday night he wouldn't accept a trade at all, that's why the Twins asked all teams for their final offers Tuesday morning and accepted the trade Tuesday afternoon. So I assume if Johan is a man of his word, if this thing falls through he'll be a Twin in '08. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jan 31, 2008 -> 10:38 PM) By "deal" he means "trade." If Johan wasn't traded by Tuesday night he wouldn't accept a trade at all, that's why the Twins asked all teams for their final offers Tuesday morning and accepted the trade Tuesday afternoon. So I assume if Johan is a man of his word, if this thing falls through he'll be a Twin in '08. Yes, that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metz Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 2 hour extension .. stay tuned again at 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Johan has the Mets by the balls right now, if they don't sign him it is a PR nightmare of epic proportions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Rosenthal says it's done, but no details. Foxsports Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metz Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 (edited) So i guess it is coming out at 6 years 137.5 with a 7 mil signing bonus 6 years 24 mil and change starting in 09 is expected Edited February 1, 2008 by JFields27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metz Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 (edited) Hot off the press... 7:08 ... A bit off with my post, but its a 7 year now and i assume its starting this season.. but i really have no clue I didnt see it in here http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3226412 NEW YORK -- Johan Santana and the New York Mets agreed Friday to a $150.75 million, seven-year contract, a record for a pitcher and the last major step needed to finalize the team's blockbuster trade with Minnesota. Edited February 2, 2008 by JFields27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockren Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Feb 1, 2008 -> 05:08 PM) Johan has the Mets by the balls right now, if they don't sign him it is a PR nightmare of epic proportions. The Mets knew a ballpark figure going in on what Johan actually wanted. All they did was posture....they were willing to pay Johan what he wanted the whole time and pretty much did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 QUOTE(rockren @ Feb 1, 2008 -> 06:50 PM) The Mets knew a ballpark figure going in on what Johan actually wanted. All they did was posture....they were willing to pay Johan what he wanted the whole time and pretty much did. They'd have been stupid not to posture a bit. Might save them a million or two in the long run. It's business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockren Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Feb 1, 2008 -> 08:55 PM) They'd have been stupid not to posture a bit. Might save them a million or two in the long run. It's business. The Mets just gave him 150 million...I don't think they gave a crap about saving "a million or two." That was the downside of trading for Johan, (if there was one) you had to negotiate on his agent's terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 That million or two could be the difference in signing another free agent this year or next. Even though 150 mil is a lot of money. 1-2 million is still a lot of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockren Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 QUOTE(max power @ Feb 2, 2008 -> 12:02 AM) That million or two could be the difference in signing another free agent this year or next. Even though 150 mil is a lot of money. 1-2 million is still a lot of money. While I don't think Balt meant 1-2 million to be EXACTLY 1-2 million, it still isn't a lot of money to the Mets in this case. The Mets knew they were going to take it in the ear in these negotiations and didn't care. It's still probable that they sign Lohse to a contract near 10 million a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 QUOTE(rockren @ Feb 2, 2008 -> 01:06 AM) While I don't think Balt meant 1-2 million to be EXACTLY 1-2 million, it still isn't a lot of money to the Mets in this case. The Mets knew they were going to take it in the ear in these negotiations and didn't care. It's still probable that they sign Lohse to a contract near 10 million a year. I love taking it in the ear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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