Rex Kickass Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Arguing about health care. The argument: Everybody must be covered vs. Everybody can be covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 Obama is a bad debater but holding his own fairly well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 Hillary Clinton's $110 billion dollar tax cut will be paid for 1. Repealing tax cut for people making 250k and more covers $55B 2. Magic! Or efficiencies in the system as she puts it. The rest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 You're just trying to get to 10k posts here, aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Jan 31, 2008 -> 07:31 PM) Obama is a bad debater but holding his own fairly well. He does much better behind a podium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 31, 2008 -> 08:41 PM) You're just trying to get to 10k posts here, aren't you? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 I'm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 Not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Is it just me or is Hillary spending 20 minutes to respond to each question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jan 31, 2008 -> 06:05 PM) Is it just me or is Hillary spending 20 minutes to respond to each question? Previous responses to her debates and focus groups have suggested that is actually one of her strengths...when she gives a lot of policy details it seems to help her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 Clinton's last line about the 30 years with a Bush or a Clinton on the ticket just won the debate for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 I get the sense out there from the liveblogging I'm reading that a lot of people seem to feel Hillary struggled somewhat on the foreign policy/Iraq issue part. Blitzer attempted a big smackdown by asking if she was saying she was naive with her AUMF vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Obama and Hillary taking turns giving each other fellatio... I wonder what happened behind the scenes to create all this good will? They were at each others throats up days ago... now fighting for the same mission? Please, I don't buy it. Maybe an agreement to run as a the winner's VP ticket? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 QUOTE(MurcieOne @ Jan 31, 2008 -> 06:49 PM) Obama and Hillary taking turns giving each other fellatio... I wonder what happened behind the scenes to create all this good will? They were at each others throats up days ago... now fighting for the same mission? Please, I don't buy it. Maybe an agreement to run as ticket? The race is so close that neither one of them wants to risk being the negative one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Shameless plug by Hillary at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 The debate was a draw IMO First half Hillary Second half Obama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Both playing the prevent defense.... I think that will benefit Barack Obama, consdiering he has the momentum going into Super Tuesday. Hillary was supposedly licking her chops in anticipation of getting Obama in a debate 1-on-1. Interesting night, I guess I should have expected this going into Super Tuesday, I guess Hillary didn't see any benefits from attacking his Illinois Senate record etc... without Edwards to play mediator between the two, it probably would have looked sinister and petty . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 Unless you see a blowout by one or the other Tuesday, you're looking at the complete Dem ticket for this november. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Watched the debate last night. Hillary is a slightly better debater, but, I'd call that particular debate a draw. Clinton started well, but as the debate went on, Obama's points got across more cleanly. Both were in top form though - that was fun to watch. Rex, about that Clinton 30 years of Bush/Clinton response... my first thought was, great line. Then it sat for a minute, and I saw the audience, and I think it may not have had a great effect after the initial applause. The fact of it sinking in with people. As I look at the candidates out there in both parties, I think to myself... ALL of these people are way better speakers and debaters than either Bush or Kerry from the '04 race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Feb 1, 2008 -> 08:15 AM) Watched the debate last night. Hillary is a slightly better debater, but, I'd call that particular debate a draw. Clinton started well, but as the debate went on, Obama's points got across more cleanly. Both were in top form though - that was fun to watch. Rex, about that Clinton 30 years of Bush/Clinton response... my first thought was, great line. Then it sat for a minute, and I saw the audience, and I think it may not have had a great effect after the initial applause. The fact of it sinking in with people. As I look at the candidates out there in both parties, I think to myself... ALL of these people are way better speakers and debaters than either Bush or Kerry from the '04 race. That's not hard to do, they both are not good public speakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 BTW, last night's debate was the 4th debate of this campaign sponsored by a group representing the coal industry. There have been zero questions on climate change at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Feb 1, 2008 -> 03:37 PM) BTW, last night's debate was the 4th debate of this campaign sponsored by a group representing the coal industry. There have been zero questions on climate change at them. I noticed that - where are the questions on energy policy, the environment and climate change? For democratic voters, particularly in California, that is a HUGE topic. Very disappointing. Notice that it WAS asked about, at the GOP debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Feb 1, 2008 -> 01:45 PM) I noticed that - where are the questions on energy policy, the environment and climate change? For democratic voters, particularly in California, that is a HUGE topic. Very disappointing. Notice that it WAS asked about, at the GOP debate. Which, I believe, was not sponsored by the coal industry. At least they got something of value for their money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 Seems that the immediate consensus after the debate was Clinton won. Today the consensus is that Obama won. Very reminiscent of the way Bush "won" debates in 2000 and 2004. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Feb 1, 2008 -> 05:32 PM) Seems that the immediate consensus after the debate was Clinton won. Today the consensus is that Obama won. Very reminiscent of the way Bush "won" debates in 2000 and 2004. If only Barak could play the "I'm not a good debater. I spent many of my formative years speaking Indonesian" card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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