scenario Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 (edited) Link Ranking the best center fielders (excerpt from the article below) "Before I present the list of candidates for Best Center Fielder of the Next 5 Years, I'll tell you this: there are only three serious candidates for the No. 1 spot. Maybe four. See if you can spot them ... Player Name Age OBP SLG OPS+ WARP Curtis Granderson 27 .361 .552 136 10.4 B.J. Upton 23 .386 .508 136 5.7 Josh Hamilton 27 .368 .554 131 3.3 Hunter Pence 25 .360 .539 130 6.2 Nick Swisher 27 .381 .455 127 5.6 Carlos Beltran 31 .353 .525 126 8.4 Aaron Rowand 30 .374 .515 123 7.8 Torii Hunter 32 .334 .505 122 5.5 Ichiro Suzuki 34 .396 .431 122 8.7 Grady Sizemore 25 .390 .462 122 6.3 Those are the top 10 center fielders of 2007, OPS+-wise (and it's a long drop from Sizemore to No. 11 Marlon Byrd). Looking at a list of players with at least 50 games in center field last season, I see three others who should be considered, if only because of their youth: Arizona's Chris Young, New York's Melky Cabrera and Chicago's Felix Pie. One might also argue for Vernon Wells, who certainly is paid like a top-10 guy and should bounce back this year from his shoulder injury." Edited February 1, 2008 by scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 And he had this comment about Grady Sizemore which I found interesting... "And finally we come to Sizemore, and the most controversial thing I'm going to write today ... Sizemore is not a good center fielder. Am I sure about that? No. But I've got two systems in front of me -- BP's Fielding Runs and Dewan's +/- -- and both suggest that Sizemore's average with the glove. At best. Yes, they could be wrong. But these days the metrics have become sophisticated enough that if they come to a consensus about a player and you disagree, you have to figure out why they're wrong (it used to be the other way around). Last summer I wrote something about the Granderson-Sizemore comparison, and I came down (just barely) for Sizemore because he's 17 months younger. But his defense now gives me pause. While I think they'll be roughly the same hitter in 2008, I also think Granderson will play Gold Glove-caliber defense and Sizemore won't. If the Indians had a good center fielder in the minors, I might even predict that Sizemore will find a new position in a few years." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 Anybody with ESPN Insider access to see what he said about Swisher? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 QUOTE(scenario @ Feb 1, 2008 -> 12:51 PM) Anybody with ESPN Insider access to see what he said about Swisher? Interesting that he didn't mention Franklin Gutierrez as a possible replacement for Sizemore in center, who, from what Tribe fans say, is outstanding defensively.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaseballNick Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 QUOTE(scenario @ Feb 1, 2008 -> 12:51 PM) Anybody with ESPN Insider access to see what he said about Swisher? Swisher played mostly right field with the A's, but according to this story he'll get most of his action with the White Sox in center. Initially, at least. My guess is he winds up in one of the corners within a few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Chris Young ranked #5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 (edited) QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Feb 1, 2008 -> 01:57 PM) Chris Young ranked #5. ??? Help me out here. He's not in the top 10 on the list above. Is there additional information inside the article or are you quoting another list? And how is he going to rank 5th on any list with a .237 BA, a .295 OBP, and a .763 OPS? Edited February 1, 2008 by scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 I didn't realize Upton was a center fielder either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 How could you rank Young, who has been not great at the plate, and also mention Pie who is god awful. Millege is better than Pie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Feb 1, 2008 -> 03:17 PM) How could you rank Young, who has been not great at the plate, and also mention Pie who is god awful. Millege is better than Pie. I think its because the article is actually about who will be the best for the next 5 years, not about those stats. I still don't know why he mentioned Pie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 QUOTE(max power @ Feb 1, 2008 -> 03:25 PM) I think its because the article is actually about who will be the best for the next 5 years, not about those stats. I still don't know why he mentioned Pie. Maybe he was hungry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackTalkThai Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Which makes it all the more impressive that the Tigers just locked up Granderson for 5 more years at $30.25 million. He gets $1 million this year, $3.5 million in 2009, $5.5 million in 2010, $8.25 million in 2011 and $10 million in 2012. The Tigers have a $13 million option for 2013 with a $2 million buyout. That contract's a bargain for a player of Granderson's caliber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 So it works out like this: PREARB: $1 million ARB#1: $3.5 million ARB#2: $5.5 million ARB#3: $8.25 million FA#1: $10 million FA#2: $13 million team option It's a good deal for both sides, I wouldn't exactly call it a bargain since he probably would have made around the same amount in the first 4 years of the deal anyway (so they didn't really save any money in the first 4 years, in fact they're going to pay him $600K more than they have to for '08) but now they're guaranteeing him that money and in exchange he gives them a *perceived* discount in the first year of free agency and a reasonable option for the second. Good deal for both sides, risky for the Tigers but probably the smart move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Yeah at least they'll have the potential to have him for 2 seasons after he hits arbitration. He'll be right in his prime then, so he should definitely cash in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Neyer does the Right Fielders today. The White Sox are holding on to #'s 3 and 14 on the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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