whitesoxfan101 Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 (edited) Yeah this thread has been friendly compared to the Illini board stuff, as it hasn't gotten personal and turned into death threats and stuff. The illini boards are too crazy even for a nut job like me to visit these days. many, many programs have gone through what we are going through right now for varying reasons. look at uconn, or maryland, or even kentucky. these are programs that within the past decade or so have won titles and subsequently had struggles for whatever reason. even duke and carolina have had downturns. it happens. That's a fair point, but the difference is this: Those programs, with the exception of Maryland (who like Illinois, can't get recruits and thus is in a death spirial that will last for years), are recruiting well and showing/will show signs of coming out of it fast. UConn only missed the dance last year, and this years 7-2 team (who has 2 close losses to top 20 teams) will make the dance, and has a lot of talent, and I'd be shocked if Kentucky doesn't get good again soon with Billy G as coach. Downturn years should be like last year with all the momentum this program has, not like what this year will be, around .500 and in the NIT at best. Wisconsin doesn't have 1/10th the talent to recruit that Illinois does, yet they know their role and have consistent success under Bo Ryan. Yeah they aren't a team that will win a national championship, but I wouldn't mind Illinois being like that, for example. The scary thing about this team is Patrick Beverly, Jeremy Pargo, and E'Twaun Moore could all be on it if Bruce had wanted them, but instead Bruce was too busy whiffing on big targets. So he can't recruit, and he turns down good guys he COULD get. Edited December 22, 2007 by whitesoxfan101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbuk Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Dec 21, 2007 -> 11:06 AM) Well, Gordon was the only recruit Weber has had on a par with Richmond and he did have trouble keeping him. It's not like the rest of Weber's recruits were 5 stars everyone wanted. But I wasn't appealing to past history, but rather what I think is an obvious future. I don't see why the 09-10 recruits would be less likely to come to Illinois if Weber were replaced, I think it might actually make the program more appealing. As you say, only time will tell. If I can switch to a more interesting subject --are you surprised at McCamey's play so far? I didn't see him play before now, and I get the impression you did. I don't want this to sound like I'm ripping on him (he's a freshman), but he doesn't seem very quick. Do you think he can be a quality point guard in the Big Ten eventually? I was hoping that Illinois would have a guard that could penetrate finally, but it's possible that that's not all on McCamey -- it seems like the UI motion offense doesn't lend itself to that. Because players rarely commit just to the school...it's so much more about the coaches now rather than the actual school itself. For obvious reasons. Not that you're asking me, but McCamey is definitely slower than most point guards, but being as big and as physical as he is can make up for it...makes drawing contact a lot easier. I have a feeling he'll be splitting time between the 1 and 2 for that reason, but having a solid ball handler on the wing and a guy with that size is always a plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 Everybody was Kung Fu fight-iiiiiiing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 It will be a damn shame if we have to give up the illinois domination, er, braggin rights trophy tonight. 7 straight years, that thing must have a lot of dust on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 If we lose to Western Kentucky, I riot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 QUOTE(Brian @ Dec 22, 2007 -> 01:14 PM) If we lose to Western Kentucky, I riot. We're going to get rocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 ISU vs. Purdue tonight. Might actually be a decent game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 22, 2007 -> 01:17 PM) We're going to get rocked. Ugh. I'm afraid of that. Statistically, WKU doesn't look bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 QUOTE(Brian @ Dec 22, 2007 -> 01:22 PM) Ugh. I'm afraid of that. Statistically, WKU doesn't look bad. They're real athletic and Courtney Lee is a freakin stud who is pretty much impossible for us to guard because he's so much taller than our guards. TY had a crap load of trouble with him last year and he could guard anyone. If this game was on the road, I'd give us a 0 percent chance but since it's at home, I'll give us like a 10 percent shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 We've got Santa Clara tonight after 10 days off. Hopefully the Gophers show up and Tubby gets them back on track after a tough game against SDSU the last time the team played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 Who is this team with the gold on in Ann Arbor? Beating UCLA by 3 at half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonik22 Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 God, im pretty sure im going to die if we lose tonight! I just can't take it anymore. It's nice to see Rowand44 is still alive though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 Can't get Reis on the computer at work an no sites have gamecast or tracker. BS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 Justin wasn't kidding. This Lee kid for Western Kentucky is top notch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 Wes Clemmons > You Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 WE SCORED POINTS!!!!!!!!! But yes, Lee is unreal, he's a NBA player. He's shredded our D twice in two years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 Finally beating the Gators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 (edited) Gophers knocked off Santa Clara tonight, 68-50. Always good to see a good win after a tough last game, especially with a 10-day layoff inbetween. 8-1, woo! Edited December 23, 2007 by Felix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 This Mizzou/Illinois game has some of the worst officiating I've ever seen. The jump ball call on Mizzou was terrible, and then the non-existent travel call on Leo Lyons is as bad as it gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 22, 2007 -> 09:34 PM) This Mizzou/Illinois game has some of the worst officiating I've ever seen. The jump ball call on Mizzou was terrible, and then the non-existent travel call on Leo Lyons is as bad as it gets. College refs are terrible at their jobs. Nothing else to say about it. They have no clue what they are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 After getting a lot of calls all nights, Mizzou is just getting killed by these officials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 22, 2007 -> 09:40 PM) After getting a lot of calls all nights, Mizzou is just getting killed by these officials. Frazier clearly got fouled after that rebound. These officials suck really bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Officials have been bad both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fathom Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 QUOTE(whitesoxfan99 @ Dec 23, 2007 -> 03:47 AM) Frazier clearly got fouled after that rebound. These officials suck really bad. There wasn't a foul on that, but it doesn't matter. Mizzou didn't deserve to win that game. They're one of the worst coached teams in the NCAA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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