Official 2007-08 College Basketball Thread

[Heads22]

We'll see how Les does this year, some BU fans like him and some don't(but I guess for the most part it's like that with a lot of fan bases and coaches).

 

Bird man certainly inherited a nice team there at A&M, he was pretty much thought of as a god by Wichita State fans before he bolted, now he's the devil.

 

Agreed on UNI.

 

I really just think everything clicked in Cedar Falls there for a couple of special seasons. They are not on the same tier as SIU and Creighton in the conference. I'm not convinced about Jacobson's coaching ability either. I expect we'll beat them with Wes back and me and some friends personally heckling the end of the UNI bench (we are now Facebook friends with the guy at the end of the Centenary bench. ) but I think we're probably gonna suck for a while too. I've NEVER been in the situation where I've been way more excited about ISU FB than MBB, but now its so.

[Rex Hudler]

Okay, the ACC/Big Ten Challenge this week and I am having a hard time seeing the Big Ten being competitive again. Here is the schedule and my predictions..... Your thoughts are encoraged.

 

Monday

6:00 Wake Forest @ Iowa - ESPN2

 

Tuesday

6:00 Georgia Tech @ Indiana - ESPN

6:00 Northwestern @ Virginia - ESPNU

6:30 Minnesota @ FSU - ESPN2

8:00 Wisconsin @ Duke - ESPN

8:30 Purdue @ Clemson - ESPN2

 

Wednesday

6:00 NC State @ Michigan State - ESPN

6:00 Boston College @ Michigan - ESPNU

6:30 Illinois @ Maryland - ESPN2

8:00 North Carolina @ Ohio State - ESPN

8:30 Virginia Tech @ Penn State - ESPN2

 

By my count the results will be ACC 8 - Big Ten 3 again this year. Games I thought could go the other way are UNC @ OSU (never know in a road game or how UNC will bounce back), Purdue @ Clemson, VA Tech @ Penn St and even Illinois @ Maryland.

[Palehosefan]

Jeez, Butler is such a garbage program. Don't actually have to have basketball talent to play there. Just jack up 30 3's from the short 3 point line and can win most games. I would actually root for Duke over Butler. What Butler does isn't basketball, it's just horses***.

[Sonik22]

Jeez, Butler is such a garbage program. Don't actually have to have basketball talent to play there. Just jack up 30 3's from the short 3 point line and can win most games. I would actually root for Duke over Butler. What Butler does isn't basketball, it's just horses***.

You can't call a team garbage because they can hit 3 pointers. Butler isn't garbage, Graves is a sharpshooter. Say they're garbage for jackin up 3's and then TT starts doing it! Are they garbage now? Do they have any basketball talent? Are you not seeing that Butler is scoring inside also?

[Palehosefan]

15-22 from 3 point land, half of Butler's shots have been from 3 point land. Absolute garbage.

[Sonik22]

Don't down a team because they're nailing the 3's! Butler is a good team and they have some really good shooters! That doesn't make them garbage though! If TT could defend the 3 then it might be a different story, they're just not used to a team where everybody can hit the outside shot. Butler is ranked for a reason.

[Palehosefan]

Doesn't matter about guarding. Butler just jacks up 25 foot 3 point shots 30 times a game and makes 12-13 and wins games. Florida used to do the same when they couldn't actually find players.

 

Can't blame Butler because it's the only way they can compete. But it's still absolute garbage.

[He_Gawn]

Just got back from the game. IU as you said just had a miserable shooting night, nothing would fall. The defense and rebounding were terrible by IU though, that's what they really need to work on. You're going to have shooting nights like that every now and than but defense and rebounding should be a constant.

 

Xavier is a really good team though and they were just the much better team out there tonight.

 

I made the trip up to Chicago for the game too. UGLY game by the Hoosiers. Some of Xaviers players seemed to be thugs though after trying to pick fights with DJ, then the one trying to mess with Gordon was just an idiot. They were up by 10 late in the game, why rub it in. I hope we get them in the tourney.

[Rex Hudler]

Doesn't matter about guarding. Butler just jacks up 25 foot 3 point shots 30 times a game and makes 12-13 and wins games. Florida used to do the same when they couldn't actually find players.

 

Can't blame Butler because it's the only way they can compete. But it's still absolute garbage.

 

palehose, with all due respect this is weak... If Butler jacks up 25 3's a game and makes 12-13, I'd say making 50% means they DO have basketball players. Especially if they are well defended. If they are not, why call them garbage for taking what the defense gives them?

 

Shooting seems to be a lost art in basketball as the playgrounds and ESPN encourage slashing to the basket and dunking, yet you want to call a team that is good at the fundamentals garbage? I don't think Coach Knight would be calling them garbage. Butler hit 16-24 3's last night. Either Tech was playing no defense or Butler deserves a LOT of credit for that performance. For someone that seems to be such a fan of the game, I find it strange that you blast a team that shoots and passes well and doesn't turn the ball over.

 

You might want to rethink this one brother.

[Palehosefan]

Here is what Knight had to say about the game.

 

"Obviously tonight the three-point shot played a huge role in the game," Knight said. "Ironically, it's something I've never been for, never will be for. It's greatly changed the complexion of the game of basketball."

 

Shooting is definitely a talent, but jacking up 30 3's a game is going to have teams living and dying by the 3's. Florida used to do the same before they could recruit. They had guys like Teddy Dupay etc doing the same, and eventually always would die in the tournament on an off night. I can't stand that style of basketball at all, and this is coming from someone who made their AAU life off of shooting 3's. I averaged 3 out of 4 a game, and I wasn't even the best shooter in the league. We had another kid named Kenan Hooker that hit 17 3's in one game, and that was back when we were 12-13 years old.

 

Butler's PG is a stud on both ends of the floor, but at positions 2-5 they just line up outside the arc and fire away. Not hard to understand why. 30 possessions of 3 point shots making only 40% leads to 36 points, while 30 possessions of 2 point shots at 50% leads to only 30 points.

 

 

[Rex Hudler]

Here is what Knight had to say about the game.

 

"Obviously tonight the three-point shot played a huge role in the game," Knight said. "Ironically, it's something I've never been for, never will be for. It's greatly changed the complexion of the game of basketball."

 

Shooting is definitely a talent, but jacking up 30 3's a game is going to have teams living and dying by the 3's. Florida used to do the same before they could recruit. They had guys like Teddy Dupay etc doing the same, and eventually always would die in the tournament on an off night. I can't stand that style of basketball at all, and this is coming from someone who made their AAU life off of shooting 3's. I averaged 3 out of 4 a game, and I wasn't even the best shooter in the league. We had another kid named Kenan Hooker that hit 17 3's in one game, and that was back when we were 12-13 years old.

 

Butler's PG is a stud on both ends of the floor, but at positions 2-5 they just line up outside the arc and fire away. Not hard to understand why. 30 possessions of 3 point shots making only 40% leads to 36 points, while 30 possessions of 2 point shots at 50% leads to only 30 points.

 

Any team making that high of a percentage of three point shots when taking that many has my respect. My thinking is, maybe teams should guard them better!

[Chisoxfn]

Jeez, Butler is such a garbage program. Don't actually have to have basketball talent to play there. Just jack up 30 3's from the short 3 point line and can win most games. I would actually root for Duke over Butler. What Butler does isn't basketball, it's just horses***.

I can only hope that soon enough Iowa can start doing that. Unfortunately there is no way in hell that will happen this year cause the squad has absolute s*** for talent.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

Jeez, Butler is such a garbage program. Don't actually have to have basketball talent to play there. Just jack up 30 3's from the short 3 point line and can win most games. I would actually root for Duke over Butler. What Butler does isn't basketball, it's just horses***.

 

 

[Kyyle23]

Man, waiting until 10 PM to watch the Salukis is tough. I hope they put the clamps on Mayo, give them some more confidence and momentum coming home

[Buehrle>Wood]

Just got back from the Las Vegas Invitational. Awesome time.

 

 

The sign outside the stadium had "NORTH CAROLINA VS. LOUISVILLE" in big, Vegas-style lights. Oops.

[hitlesswonder]

Any team making that high of a percentage of three point shots when taking that many has my respect. My thinking is, maybe teams should guard them better!

 

They have my respect, too. There's no "right way" to win in my book. And, really, maybe jacking up a ton threes doesn't require talent but hitting them definitely does. I've heard inside players derided for dominating a game simply because they are tall, but I've never seen a bunch of quality outside shooters put down as not having skills before. That's a new one.

[Rowand44]

We're going to lose by 30, this is a total butt kicking.

[Brian]

We're going to lose by 30, this is a total butt kicking.

 

Shaw looks lazy. They are collapsing big time on Randal and nobody can hit a jumper. USC is very good.

[Brian]

And the Mayo lovefest is sickening. If the internet feed wasn't so far behind, I'd listen to Reis.

[Rex Hudler]

Game a lot resembles the IU - Xavier game last night.

[whitesoxfan101]

The post about Butler might be the most pathetic thing you'll find in this thread. Want to beat them? PLAY DEFENSE!! I watched the game, and at least 3/4 of the 3 point shots Butler made were unguarded. Nobody to blame but yourself there buddy. I was impressed by Arizona tonight. They did lose in OT at Kansas, but they gave a really good team (even without Collins) a hell of a game and actually tried on defense, which is rare for the Wildcats. As for Indiana, last night made clear what is obvious already: they go as far as Eric Gordon takes them and aren't good enough to beat NCAA Tourney calibur teams unless EJ plays really well. They will win the very weak Big 10, but I don't like their chances in March unless EJ gets on a Carmelo-esque hot streak at the right time.

Edited November 26, 2007 by whitesoxfan101

[Brian]

Yeah, Butler is strictly a perimeter team.

[bmags]

the M-I-Z beat western pretty badly. I really don't know what this team will look like though.

[fathom]

And the Mayo lovefest is sickening. If the internet feed wasn't so far behind, I'd listen to Reis.

 

I'm extremely impressed with how under control he's played tonight. Floyd actually has these guys playing great.

[whitesoxfan101]

Wow, USC is awfully impressive. Floyd has them playing great 2 way, team ball and if they can do that with that kind of talent, they are a legit national threat. Somebody needs to tell Matt Shaw your allowed to shoot 2 pointers though.