RockRaines Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 (edited) QUOTE(fathom @ Feb 12, 2008 -> 07:56 PM) I'm not so sure Hummel hasn't been the best overall frosh during Big 10 play this year. Ha! How so? He averages 11 and 6. Thats not even as good as Koufos who isnt even close to the competition at 14 and 7 and 2 blks. Gordon is averaging 21 points, its not even close. Edited February 13, 2008 by RockRaines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 I don't think Lavin was exaggerating too much -- that's one of the better college basketball games I've watched all year. Great atmosphere, two quality coaches (and, of course, very good teams) going at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 (edited) QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Feb 12, 2008 -> 08:03 PM) I don't think Lavin was exaggerating too much -- that's one of the better college basketball games I've watched all year. Great atmosphere, two quality coaches (and, of course, very good teams) going at it. I agree it was a great game to watch and I LOVED the game from tip to whistle, but everything that happened was the best ever. Its not all that uncommon of a game in the Big Ten, highly ranked team upset away from home in front of a loud crowd. I think their ignorance of the Big Ten was 99 percent of what was annoying to me. Edited February 13, 2008 by RockRaines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Hummel may not have the stats, but he has the big time wins... If Purdue wins out (which is not out of the realm of possibilities) Hummel has to be a consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 (edited) QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Feb 12, 2008 -> 08:06 PM) Hummel may not have the stats, but he has the big time wins... If Purdue wins out (which is not out of the realm of possibilities) Hummel has to be a consideration. Im sure he will since stats-wise he's number 3 for freshman, but he wont win it, and shouldnt. Edited February 13, 2008 by RockRaines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Feb 12, 2008 -> 07:57 PM) Im confused how can Hummel be the freshman of the year when ESPN already gave the award to Gordon? And the Big 10 is killing itself letting these teams play so physical in conference play. Ever year they get to the NCAA tournament and the refs call it much tighter. Hell the idiot from Maryland in the studio tonight handed Gordon the Big Ten POY award. Does this guy even watch games? Gordon doesn't even get the best player on his team award. Not trying to take away from Gordon, he has had an excellent freshman year, but DJ White has been the best player on IU and in the Big Ten this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 whoa, awful camera angle in the vandy game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 QUOTE(Felix @ Feb 12, 2008 -> 01:44 PM) Illinois is in town tonight... I can't wait to get back from the game to see a number of posts in here complaining about how bad the refs are and how you guys can't wait to see Pruitt/Randle graduate That is if you don't hear it from the Orange Krush up at the barn tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 (edited) QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Feb 12, 2008 -> 08:12 PM) Hell the idiot from Maryland in the studio tonight handed Gordon the Big Ten POY award. Does this guy even watch games? Gordon doesn't even get the best player on his team award. Not trying to take away from Gordon, he has had an excellent freshman year, but DJ White has been the best player on IU and in the Big Ten this year. I agree with that as well. Gordon is the best frosh IMO, but White is a beast. He actually has that "Barkley-esque" power and energy down low at times. Edited February 13, 2008 by RockRaines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Rock, I think its to early to say "he wont win it". The last 2 games, Hummel has been the difference. At one point he was unstoppable at Wisconsin and he carried his team. Gordon has looked rattled as of late, tenative and in fact could start to wear down because he has played so many minutes. If Gordon slumps, IU loses to Purdue, maybe slips to Wisconsin or another team, all of a sudden Humml has a shot. Rex, Yeah I know that was what I was referring to. At first I thought itd be the other way around, White getting more looks because of Gordon. But White really has looked good this year, and quite frankly he is going to get selected in the top 15 in the draft. I know I said otherwise to start the season, but this is clearly a different player and he just has been great in the low post. The fact he goes up against bigger guys almost every game shows that in the NBA he can play the PF no problem and with many teams running he just looks like he will make the show. IMO the best player on Indiana has been White. (Not saying B10 player of the year because there is a lot more games to be played) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 (edited) QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Feb 12, 2008 -> 08:16 PM) Rock, I think its to early to say "he wont win it". The last 2 games, Hummel has been the difference. At one point he was unstoppable at Wisconsin and he carried his team. Gordon has looked rattled as of late, tenative and in fact could start to wear down because he has played so many minutes. If Gordon slumps, IU loses to Purdue, maybe slips to Wisconsin or another team, all of a sudden Humml has a shot. He has a shot anyway based purely on his stats. But hes still also behind Koufos in that arena as well. But Gordon still is the better player, it would take a ridiculous run for Hummel to beat out Gordon. Is there anyone in the world that possibly thinks Hummel is a better player than Gordon? I dont think any sane basketball fan would ever say that. Looking at the games that you are speaking of as well, shooting 70 percent from the field and 60 percent from behind the arc isnt something that is really easily repeatable. Quick edit: Dont think im trying to push Koufos as a freshman of the year candidate, I actually think hes actually extremely weak as a ballplayer right now. Edited February 13, 2008 by RockRaines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 (edited) Better where? Who will be the better pro, probably Gordon, although if Hummel got thicker could he project to a poor mans Nowitzki. As for college if Purdue wins the Big 10 this year and Gordon bolts, it will be hard to go against Hummel who could play another 3 years. I dont know projecting players are gut feelings, there is just no way you can say stats or anything else will determine who will be a great pro and who will bust out. Some times I look at Gordon and see a player that could be the next great thing, other times he just has this way about him that makes me doubt him. And thats why I premised this all on, if Hummel continues to play this way. He has been on fire, and more importantly he has played the best in Purdue's most important games. Edited February 13, 2008 by Soxbadger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Feb 12, 2008 -> 08:36 PM) Better where? Who will be the better pro, probably Gordon, although if Hummel got thicker could he project to a poor mans Nowitzki. As for college if Purdue wins the Big 10 this year and Gordon bolts, it will be hard to go against Hummel who could play another 3 years. I dont know projecting players are gut feelings, there is just no way you can say stats or anything else will determine who will be a great pro and who will bust out. Some times I look at Gordon and see a player that could be the next great thing, other times he just has this way about him that makes me doubt him. And thats why I premised this all on, if Hummel continues to play this way. He has been on fire, and more importantly he has played the best in Purdue's most important games. Interesting thoughts actually, I cant see Nowitzki because he has 4 inches on Hummel, and a wingspan difference as well, but I can see your point as far as his value projecting forward, I like him as a player. But Gordon's play is just at a higher level right now with the highest ceiling. I cant see him not winning that award and projects much higher as a pro as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Feb 12, 2008 -> 08:36 PM) Better where? Who will be the better pro, probably Gordon, although if Hummel got thicker could he project to a poor mans Nowitzki. As for college if Purdue wins the Big 10 this year and Gordon bolts, it will be hard to go against Hummel who could play another 3 years. I dont know projecting players are gut feelings, there is just no way you can say stats or anything else will determine who will be a great pro and who will bust out. Some times I look at Gordon and see a player that could be the next great thing, other times he just has this way about him that makes me doubt him. And thats why I premised this all on, if Hummel continues to play this way. He has been on fire, and more importantly he has played the best in Purdue's most important games. Hummel is only 6'7 or 6'8. That means going up against guys like LeBron, Kobe, T-Mac, etc. Hummel projects as maybe a guy like Mike Dunleavy at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 (edited) If we had a Purdue fan on this site im sure theyd be saying "hes going to be the next Larry Bird". He has just been insane lately, and Gordn outside of the game against NU hasnt scored over 20 since Penn State. I guess its a what have you done fore me lately. For all we know Gordon will torch Wisconsin tomorrow and hell take down Purdue, and itll be Hummel who? (Hummel is 6'8 and grew 9 inches from his soph to junior year i believe, its not unheard of that he could still add 1 inch and a few more pounds as he fills out. He is only 18, these are PROJECTIONS) I just looked at Dunleavy, hes scoring 17.5 ppg and 6 rpg, this year so thats probably generous to what I was thinking. I was guessing more like 15 pts maybe 7 rpgs. Edited February 13, 2008 by Soxbadger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Feb 12, 2008 -> 08:47 PM) If we had a Purdue fan on this site im sure theyd be saying "hes going to be the next Larry Bird". He has just been insane lately, and Gordn outside of the game against NU hasnt scored over 20 since Penn State. I guess its a what have you done fore me lately. For all we know Gordon will torch Wisconsin tomorrow and hell take down Purdue, and itll be Hummel who? (Hummel is 6'8 and grew 9 inches from his soph to junior year i believe, its not unheard of that he could still add 1 inch and a few more pounds as he fills out. He is only 18, these are PROJECTIONS) He is a going to be a great college player. But 6'8 forwards who don't play in the post and don't have great athleticism are role players in the NBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Now is this UVA UNC game the most exciting game of the year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Feb 12, 2008 -> 08:47 PM) If we had a Purdue fan on this site im sure theyd be saying "hes going to be the next Larry Bird". Really, thats funny, Im a big Purdue fan and I dont think hes going to amount to anything in the NBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Whitesoxfan, No doubt right now if he left hed but like a Dunleavy. Im just saying looking at his frame and features, I just can see him getting bigger and thicker. Thats based purely on opinion, I think as his career goes on he will develop more in the post and benefit from playing against bigger guys in the Big 10. He has been matching up against guys like Suton, Butch, Leur, Landry, and depending on the match up does different things. At the pros its not as big of a deal, so unless he gets bigger he probably wont ever be a post presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 (edited) Well Keady said that if he could choose any player in the Big 10 to start a team with hed chose Hummel... And that was before Purdue beat Wisconsin the first time and he was supposed to be a non-biased announcer. ::shrugs:: I really dont care, I just am telling it like it is. The hype is getting pretty outlandish. Edited February 13, 2008 by Soxbadger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 i know folks here dont follow SEC ball too much, but my commodores are absolutely mopping the floor with a Kentucky team who was pretty hot coming in.....41-11 at the half....Kentuckys fewest points scored in a half since the shot clock, previous low was 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 QUOTE(daa84 @ Feb 13, 2008 -> 03:00 AM) i know folks here dont follow SEC ball too much, but my commodores are absolutely mopping the floor with a Kentucky team who was pretty hot coming in.....41-11 at the half....Kentuckys fewest points scored in a half since the shot clock, previous low was 16 Foster's playing a great game...he's one of the top 3 shooting guards in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuiceCruz16 Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 (edited) Hummel was great tonight, and against Wisky. He is no where near frosh of the year though. EJ is in another class. He and E'twaun have identical numbers this year (it's scary how similar). Each have stepped up in different games to be the man also. The Boilers have been without Scott Martin who is very capable of the same type of game. They are playing as a unit and even though they are freshman the three have played together for years now in da region. The Hummel comparision I see is with Kyle Singler from Duke. Their games are similar, and Robbie looks to be a poor mans Singler at this point. E'twaun still is the only guy that has the ability to create, and draws the top defensive guy usually. Mich. State did a great job locking him up in the secong half which did cause him to force a couple. Overall the Boilers are playing solid all around ball,the game in Bloomington should be reminisant of the hard fought battles the IU/Purdue rivalry is legendary for. Edited February 13, 2008 by JuiceCruz16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Brian Randle is absolutely the dumbest player I've ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuiceCruz16 Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 My Heels survive another game without Ty. I'm a bit surprised that Singletary didn't go off for 35 plus. Q got his fouls trying to guard him and having Ginyard avaliable was huge! A win at Virginia is always good, they have owned UNC there of late. The Va. Tech game was when Lawson was targeted to come back hopefully he is well recovered, they are very average without him & Frasior. Ellington played well and Tyler is Tyler; big time bucket down the stretch and another all american performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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