sox4lifeinPA Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 QUOTE(bmags @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 05:56 PM) yeah not like the huge church-going population in Europe and look at the masses flocking to the magical land of Europe.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 11:02 PM) Violence??? Sex??? Have you seen Japanese movies? Anime? I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just saying some of the same s*** and maybe even worse happens in other countries and from the stats posted before...Japanese people aren't going around shooting people at the same rate. Education, education, education. Change the culture...that's the only way. good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 06:02 PM) Violence??? Sex??? Have you seen Japanese movies? Anime? I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just saying some of the same s*** and maybe even worse happens in other countries and from the stats posted before...Japanese people aren't going around shooting people at the same rate. Education, education, education. Change the culture...that's the only way. No, the Japanese are just committing suicide at mindblowing rates. but you're right about education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 QUOTE(bmags @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 04:56 PM) yeah not like the huge church-going population in Europe Yeah, what Sox4life said. Soccer riots everywhere? ? Class riots in France? They are just as violent over there, and more prone to violent protest than kids here in the states. Molotov cocktails, anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 QUOTE(Alpha Dog @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 03:27 PM) Yeah, what Sox4life said. Soccer riots everywhere? ? Class riots in France? They are just as violent over there, and more prone to violent protest than kids here in the states. Molotov cocktails, anyone? It might not be the hip thing to do here in the U.S. recently, but within the past 40 years the U.S. has had MORE than its share of riots. Heck, the number and intensity of the riots some cities have endured (Chicago in 68, L.A. in 92, heck as recently as Cincinnati in 2001) might well be related to the reason that France has had a series of them more recently than we have...because the riots here have forced some changes through systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 It's the human condition and every people group manifests the brokeness differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 QUOTE(Alpha Dog @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 11:27 PM) Yeah, what Sox4life said. Soccer riots everywhere? ? Class riots in France? They are just as violent over there, and more prone to violent protest than kids here in the states. Molotov cocktails, anyone? I wasn't implying that europe was this magical land w/o violence. But they certainly have lower rates of violent crime, and they are a population that has turned more atheist or agnostic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 The best way to keep the terrorists from stealing our rights is to give them up! Why can't people understand that? Innocent until proven guilty does not work, if the cops think you are guilty, you lose all rights. That's when we are really safe. You see the prezident is using some scare tatics to get us to waive our rights to privacy? http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/15/bush.fisa/ This isn't related to this particular case because he bought the guns legally, but can we make it a felony with a mandatory prison sentence for possesion of a firearm without a FOID card. They're so easy to get but the thugs, gangstas, and other scumbags don't want background checks for the card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 04:24 PM) You see the prezident is using some scare tatics to get us to waive our rights to privacy? http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/15/bush.fisa/ This isn't related to this particular case because he bought the guns legally, but can we make it a felony with a mandatory prison sentence for possesion of a firearm without a FOID card. They're so easy to get but the thugs, gangstas, and other scumbags don't want background checks for the card. Just what we need...an even larger prison population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Just what we need...an even larger prison population. It's time to reevaluate who we sentence to prison, *cough* non-violent drug prisoners *cough* I rather see a scumbag on the street have a bag of crack rocks (which is not treated as the same as cocaine or weed) on them than be an unregistered gun owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 03:05 PM) or idiot seeking bullets. see that's perfect! it's that kind of thinking that will make you rich someday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/c...0,1558272.story That is just messed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 10:01 PM) http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/c...0,1558272.story That is just messed up. My first thought was they both probably shopped at WalMart as well. Then, after reading, I'm wondering if the dealer made this public to increase sales, like it did at VT. If that is the case Y'all read his comments and tell me what you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 11:01 PM) My first thought was they both probably shopped at WalMart as well. Then, after reading, I'm wondering if the dealer made this public to increase sales, like it did at VT. If that is the case Y'all read his comments and tell me what you think. Maybe if he just went public, but he talked to the ATF. I don't know, that would be one f'ed up dude if he was using that coincidence to boost sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 I didn't get the blatant advertising spin from that article. Unless he's a Fick Suck I don't see how he's using the situation...he admitted that he got threats. meh. sounds more like he just had good SEO on his website and if you're looking for glock ammunition he's got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Feb 16, 2008 -> 09:00 AM) I didn't get the blatant advertising spin from that article. Unless he's a Fick Suck I don't see how he's using the situation...he admitted that he got threats. meh. sounds more like he just had good SEO on his website and if you're looking for glock ammunition he's got it. I've bought from them before. Usually good prices and quality stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 QUOTE(Alpha Dog @ Feb 16, 2008 -> 10:27 AM) I've bought from them before. Usually good prices and quality stuff. exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 I wonder who signed for them. The guy states in the article someone other than Kazmierczak signed for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Feb 16, 2008 -> 01:04 AM) It's time to reevaluate who we sentence to prison, *cough* non-violent drug prisoners *cough* I rather see a scumbag on the street have a bag of crack rocks (which is not treated as the same as cocaine or weed) on them than be an unregistered gun owner. Supreme court ruled it was unlawful to have higher sentencing for crack. Sentences were reduced across the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 QUOTE(bmags @ Feb 16, 2008 -> 11:14 AM) Supreme court ruled it was unlawful to have higher sentencing for crack. Sentences were reduced across the country. I'd really like to see the constitutional basis for that decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNew...119916620071210 it was a 7-2 decision. Federal guidelines specified higher sentencing for crack than cocaine. They basically got rid of that and said judges can decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 QUOTE(bmags @ Feb 16, 2008 -> 11:21 AM) http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNew...119916620071210 it was a 7-2 decision. Federal guidelines specified higher sentencing for crack than cocaine. They basically got rid of that and said judges can decide. I'll start off by saying that I scanned only the first page of the article you linked. But, my question was what was the constitutional basis for the decision, or even hearing the case. I was under the impression that SCOTUS is there for the sole purpose of determining the constitutionality of an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 QUOTE(YASNY @ Feb 16, 2008 -> 12:28 PM) I'll start off by saying that I scanned only the first page of the article you linked. But, my question was what was the constitutional basis for the decision, or even hearing the case. I was under the impression that SCOTUS is there for the sole purpose of determining the constitutionality of an issue. basically: black people like crack white/hispanics like coke because the sentencing for crack dealers is more strick, this is racial bias. Therefore, the SCOTUS decided that the sentencing judge will have discretion. That was PA's summation of the news, brought to you by Pfizer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Feb 16, 2008 -> 11:41 AM) basically: black people like crack white/hispanics like coke because the sentencing for crack dealers is more strick, this is racial bias. Therefore, the SCOTUS decided that the sentencing judge will have discretion. That was PA's summation of the news, brought to you by Pfizer. Thank you. It makes a bit more sense now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 QUOTE(YASNY @ Feb 16, 2008 -> 12:44 PM) Thank you. It makes a bit more sense now. you forgot the green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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