striker Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 I'm sure this has been posted before, but I wanted to bring it up again. http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/walkegr01.shtml Doesn't make any sense. His highest batting average was .294. His highest obp was .346. He shouldn't be instructing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 inb4ssi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Why couldn't Michael Jordan be a good GM? Why does Tiger Woods go to a teacher that never won anything? Teaching is about communicating. Everyone knows the answers, but some are good at getting the message across and some have no idea why a person can't properly swing a bat and can't explain how to fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 QUOTE(striker62704 @ Feb 18, 2008 -> 10:05 AM) I'm sure this has been posted before, but I wanted to bring it up again. http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/walkegr01.shtml Doesn't make any sense. His highest batting average was .294. His highest obp was .346. He shouldn't be instructing. If performance was the key, Tiger Woods would be the greeatest golf coach in the world and not need an instructor. Just like Tony LaRussa credits time on the bench with becomong a great manager, so too can guys who do not have the natural gifts and have to work at it. The main reason Walker should not be coaching is the results with the hitters over the past couple seasons and the lack of success throughout the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 (edited) Why did Frank Thomas learn from Walt Hriniak? Hirniak only had 99 plate appearances and a career ba of .253, he also never had an extra base hit. So I guess its not really about how well they played, but more about what they know about hitting. Just because the person did not have the physical gifts, does not mean they dont know how to swing a bat. /shrugs And your right im sure this has been posted before, it just doesnt make sense. Edited February 18, 2008 by Soxbadger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Feb 18, 2008 -> 10:09 AM) inb4ssi LMAO I would say its the results that matter more than what he did as a hitter. I just dont like what I see as an organizational approach since Walk took over. I also didnt like what the minor league instruction was doing as well. They have made moves there so I will have to wait and see if we get a different approach with the hitters as they come up. My opinion on the subject of Walk is well known. I just hope that Richar finds Hrniak at camp before Lift and Pull convinces him that he needs to be a power guy. Richar needs to be a line drive type hitter. Get on base and use your speed. Occasional power is nice for him. But I dont think 30 homers when I see Richar. And watching him swing for the fences after some Walk tutorial will sicken me for 08. Uribe also should bypass the Walk route. Project Uribe 2007 was a failure, its time to let someone who has had success work with him to get that leg kick timer working again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Leo Mazzone was a career minor leaguer, didn't throw a single big league pitch yet he's considered one of the best pitching coaches the game has ever seen. Rudy Jaramillo, who has been the Rangers' hitting coach for the past 13 seasons and is considered by many to be the finest in the game didn't even play professional baseball in America. Would you consider Ron Gardenhire to be a pretty good manager? Well I hope not, he was nothing more than a fringe player in the bigs. How can he possibly relate to the modern professional star athlete? He never lived that life. Should Ozzie be prohibited from giving his hitters advice? (well, maybe) Should someone with a career .287 OBP really be preaching about the benefits of having high OBP hitters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 (edited) QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 18, 2008 -> 10:13 AM) The main reason Walker should not be coaching is the results with the hitters over the past couple seasons and the lack of success throughout the system. Past season. If you want to give Greg Walker all of the blame for the Sox poor hitting last year, you're going to have to give him all of the credit for their great hitting in 2006. Edited February 18, 2008 by Vance Law Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 QUOTE(Vance Law @ Feb 18, 2008 -> 10:41 AM) Past season. If you want to give Greg Walker all of the blame for the Sox poor hitting last year, you're going to have to give him all of the credit for their great hitting in 2006. Then I can give him the blame for the crappy hitting of 2005. That was glossed over because of the championship. That offense was rotten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Feb 18, 2008 -> 10:45 AM) Then I can give him the blame for the crappy hitting of 2005. That was glossed over because of the championship. That offense was rotten. You can call it rotten. I'd say it was on the bad side of medium- finishing 8th and 9th in OPS and runs out of 14 in the AL. A healthy Tank Thomas likely would have pushed us into the top half. I hope you have increasingly bad-sounding adjectives for the 5 or 6 worse offenses. Whatever we do, we shouldn't blame the hitters for their hitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 QUOTE(Vance Law @ Feb 18, 2008 -> 10:41 AM) Past season. If you want to give Greg Walker all of the blame for the Sox poor hitting last year, you're going to have to give him all of the credit for their great hitting in 2006. fair enough, here's some bags to help with your packing and in the envelope you'll see the credit for all the good you did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 QUOTE(Vance Law @ Feb 18, 2008 -> 10:58 AM) You can call it rotten. I'd say it was on the bad side of medium- finishing 8th and 9th in OPS and runs out of 14 in the AL. A healthy Tank Thomas likely would have pushed us into the top half. I hope you have increasingly bad-sounding adjectives for the 5 or 6 worse offenses. Whatever we do, we shouldn't blame the hitters for their hitting. Well we could blame the weather, a perfect storm, pressure, or whatever else Walk attributed to hitting bad last year instead of the hitters sucked and their coach had no clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Feb 18, 2008 -> 09:24 AM) Well we could blame the weather, a perfect storm, pressure, or whatever else Walk attributed to hitting bad last year instead of the hitters sucked and their coach had no clue. Isn't it at least possible that some combination of the general suckitude of Andy Gonzalez, Darin Erstad, Gustavo Molina, and the injured versions of Jermaine Dye and Joe Crede and Toby Hall and Scott Podsednik played a big role? The one thing I think I can say positive about Walker's work last year is that the guys who really seemed to need him...the young guys...actually seemed to come up, learn a few things, and perform. Fields, Owens, Richar, all seemed to trend positive with the bat given enough time in the big leagues. Naturally, you evaluate it every year. If this team stinks with the bat again this year despite upgrades...then by all accounts it'll be time for a new voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 One thing I think we all can agree on, last November would have been the best time to make a change if one was coming. Once the hitters report, I believe you keep the staff until the season is over. A mid season change in hitting coach just isn't worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Feb 18, 2008 -> 11:28 AM) Isn't it at least possible that some combination of the general suckitude of Andy Gonzalez, Darin Erstad, Gustavo Molina, and the injured versions of Jermaine Dye and Joe Crede and Toby Hall and Scott Podsednik played a big role? The one thing I think I can say positive about Walker's work last year is that the guys who really seemed to need him...the young guys...actually seemed to come up, learn a few things, and perform. Fields, Owens, Richar, all seemed to trend positive with the bat given enough time in the big leagues. Naturally, you evaluate it every year. If this team stinks with the bat again this year despite upgrades...then by all accounts it'll be time for a new voice. Richar came up making solid contact not striking out. Then after some walk time his power went up, and he started whiffing. With a no stride swing he shouldnt K that much. He has been quoted saying that he didnt do anything with Fields because he had the swing that got him here. He would make adjustments in the spring. Dont worry when its cold in April we can blame the cold, then in May its the pressure and they are not playing loosey goosey, then in June it will be something else. His team is upgraded offensively so if they suck with the stick and have a problem scoring runs then its time to drop this guy quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 We shall see what happens. I don't like how Walker batting coached Konerko into a subpar year especially after he made him have 3 consecutive very good years. Bad strategy on Walker's part, he should have just made him have a good year. I did, however, like it when Dye wasn't a good hitter anymore in the first half of the season, Walker decided to batting coach him into have a great second half. That's the kind of batting coaching I want to see out of Walker. And Walker's been pretty consistent in batting coaching Thome to do well for 2 straight years which is a smart strategy that I hope he sticks with. A.J. should have a good year because it looks like Walker is alternating years of good batting coaching and then bad batting coaching with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Most coaches seem to have one way to teach, two at most. When that method matches with the players on the team, great. The question is thus, is Walker the best coach for this group of players? No disrespect to his genius, but maybe it's just a bad match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 QUOTE(Vance Law @ Feb 18, 2008 -> 07:41 PM) We shall see what happens. I don't like how Walker batting coached Konerko into a subpar year especially after he made him have 3 consecutive very good years. Bad strategy on Walker's part, he should have just made him have a good year. I did, however, like it when Dye wasn't a good hitter anymore in the first half of the season, Walker decided to batting coach him into have a great second half. That's the kind of batting coaching I want to see out of Walker. And Walker's been pretty consistent in batting coaching Thome to do well for 2 straight years which is a smart strategy that I hope he sticks with. A.J. should have a good year because it looks like Walker is alternating years of good batting coaching and then bad batting coaching with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 This is just lame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 Is it October of 2007 again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Feb 18, 2008 -> 10:34 AM) Would you consider Ron Gardenhire to be a pretty good manager? Well I hope not, he didn't even play in the bigs. How can he possibly relate to the modern professional athlete? He never lived that life. Ron Gardenhire, playing career 777 career PA's...thats why hes good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Feb 18, 2008 -> 02:55 PM) Ron Gardenhire, playing career 777 career PA's...thats why hes good bastard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 QUOTE(striker62704 @ Feb 18, 2008 -> 10:05 AM) I'm sure this has been posted before, but I wanted to bring it up again. http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/walkegr01.shtml Doesn't make any sense. His highest batting average was .294. His highest obp was .346. He shouldn't be instructing. Im more interested in why this thread is still open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Feb 18, 2008 -> 05:28 PM) Im more interested in why this thread is still open. Because it is another site that shuts down threads like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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