ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 (edited) Just for the sake of discussion, lets say, LETS JUST SAY, that..... Joe Crede comes out this spring and lights it up. He flashes great defense, his hitting tremendously, and is just better than he has ever played before. Meanwhile, Fields is still struggling with his glove over at 3B, and is misplaying easy balls. Do you trade Crede because his value it is as high as it was before the injury, or do you try and work around keeping Crede with this new found back, and maybe look at moving Konerko with Fields then to 1B (or LF and Swisher to 1B, Quinten/Owens to CF) or any other options that would keep Crede at 3B? Edited February 19, 2008 by JoeCoolMan24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 QUOTE(JoeCoolMan24 @ Feb 19, 2008 -> 02:43 PM) Just for the sake of discussion, lets say, LETS JUST SAY, that..... Joe Crede comes out this spring and lights it up. He flashes great defense, his hitting tremendously, and is just better than he has ever played before. Meanwhile, Fields is still struggling with his glove over at 3B, and is misplaying easy balls. Do you trade Crede because his value it is as high as it was before the injury, or do you try and work around keeping Crede with this new found back, and maybe look at moving Konerko with Fields then to 1B (or LF and Swisher to 1B, Quinten/Owens to CF) or any other options that would keep Crede at 3B? You trade Crede. Pure and simple. Get what you can for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Best case scenario...Joe Crede comes out and puts up an MVP caliber season. Like 60 home runs and a gold glove. In that case, he walks as a FA and the Sox are lucky to get a draft pick for him, because someone offers him a boatload of money. Worst case scenario for the season...Joe never fully heals or regains his former form, hits like .200 or below for the first month of the season...and again, Joe Walks as a FA and the White Sox get nothing for him, because in this case the Sox have a better option already and there's no reason to spend any money on bringing Joe back. In either case...no matter what Joe does, if the Sox hold on to Crede, he walks for nothing at the end of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaus kinski Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 He flashes greatness from time to time-but is an average hitter over the long haul with great defense when healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 (edited) The better poll is the number of threads that members of the Joe Crede fan club make up to attempt to sway people who have no say in the matter into keeping a player that is going to walk anyway. Crede's fanclub will be just as bad at the Rowand fan club. 3 year down the road we will see crap about how Brooks Robinson Jr. got away. This was inevitable the minute he proceeded with Boras as his agent. Its not like this is a shock that the sox and boras dont mix. Yet the fan club wants belief to be tossed aside for good faith and hope. I like Jenks, if Jenks tomorrow signs Boras as an agent I might as well change my sig because he will be moved. Boras+impending FA= traded Edited February 19, 2008 by southsideirish71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 You trade him if what is coming back is decent, and you're sure Fields is good enough. I'm one of the few that is not sold on Fields yet, although I do think his defense is a little better than most believe it to be. If its a boatload of crap you're getting back for him, you keep him and let him walk at the end of the year. If Crede is what he was in 2006 up until September, he will be worth a halfway decent prospect at the deadline, or he may help you win. Its better than settling for someone who may get to play in Birmingham when he's 28 years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 trade Fields, keep Crede. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.J. Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 I don't see anything wrong with waiting to trade Crede before the deadline. If Fields is a beast in Spring, then you probably just get what you can (2 single-A relief prospects!?!?!) for Crede. No contending teams are really in the position of needing a third baseman, so it won't be much. Buf in the situation you presented... If the Giants are offering us basically nothing (Noah Lowry) right now because Crede hasn't proven anything, then maybe you give him a couple of months time to play and hope he develops value. I understand Fields is ready, but I don't think anything he does will make this team more than a third place finisher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Feb 19, 2008 -> 04:22 PM) trade Fields, keep Crede. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 QUOTE(R.J. @ Feb 19, 2008 -> 10:43 PM) I don't see anything wrong with waiting to trade Crede before the deadline. If Fields is a beast in Spring, then you probably just get what you can (2 single-A relief prospects!?!?!) for Crede. No contending teams are really in the position of needing a third baseman, so it won't be much. Buf in the situation you presented... If the Giants are offering us basically nothing (Noah Lowry) right now because Crede hasn't proven anything, then maybe you give him a couple of months time to play and hope he develops value. I understand Fields is ready, but I don't think anything he does will make this team more than a third place finisher. I wouldn't be against that idea. Keep Joe Crede until the ASB and see what has happened at that point. If the White Sox are in the race because of Crede than hold on to him. Will it stunt Fields' growth that bad for him to have one more season in triple-a? Are the White Sox really that much better with Noah Lowry in their rotation? I would like to see how the season unfolds before KW makes a deal with a team. What happens if an injury occurs? Or what happens if Richar struggles and we need a 2B? Crede can be that one chip the White Sox have to offer DURING the season if they chose to go that route. Buerhle said himself "Nobody is better than Crede at 3rd. He makes plays that every other average 3rd basemen cant make" So he is spoiled. A defense of Crede and Cabrera would be pretty impressive on the left side... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 QUOTE(R.J. @ Feb 19, 2008 -> 02:43 PM) Buf in the situation you presented... If the Giants are offering us basically nothing (Noah Lowry) right now because Crede hasn't proven anything, then maybe you give him a couple of months time to play and hope he develops value. The problem is...if you're playing Crede to increase his value, the longer you play him while you try to make his value go up, the more his value is going to go down because most GM's have calendars somewhere in their world. You trade Joe after he has a good April...his value hasn't gone up as much as it could if he had a good May also, but if you wait until the end of May, he's now missed 2 months of a team's season. And you can say the same thing about every month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Feb 19, 2008 -> 02:53 PM) LOL c'mon, joe might bring some nice draft picks, some sleepers overlooked in the first few rounds. but seriously, if you had to trade one right now, who would bring more value? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Feb 19, 2008 -> 04:55 PM) c'mon, joe might bring some nice draft picks, some sleepers overlooked in the first few rounds. but seriously, if you had to trade one right now, who would bring more value? When a team is completely devoid of a position prospect and has a payroll in excess of 100 million dollars they dont trade one of their only guys who are cheap and so far have shown a propensity to hit at the major league level with power. Trading Fields and keeping a Boras client would be dumb. You will have Pablo Ozuna or some retread over at 3rd next year if you did that. Because Mr. Boras doesnt negotiate. Your boy is going to FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 (edited) c'mon, joe might bring some nice draft picks, some sleepers overlooked in the first few rounds. but seriously, if you had to trade one right now, who would bring more value? Joe won't bring back s***. It's based on the last two years of performance. Fields bring us more value, but that doesn't put us in a better position for the future and arguably the present. Edited February 19, 2008 by santo=dorf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Feb 19, 2008 -> 02:22 PM) trade Fields, keep Crede. No freaking way. If Joe is healthy and hitting well and the Sox are competitive at the deadline, you hold onto him, hope to get to the playoffs, lose him to FA, and take the draft picks. Otherwise, you deal Joe to the highest bidder by the end of July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 (edited) If Crede comes out and is playing amazing, and Fields is playing terribly with bat and glove. I wouldn't have a problem putting Fields in AAA for whatever stretch of time. Crede can be traded 1 week into the season, 1 month into the season, 2 months into the season or whenever. Potentially this leads to us getting even greater value with Crede hitting great, and/or a third baseman on a contending team coming up with a major injury. That said- I think there is a 10% chance of Crede coming out playing "unbelievably" and Fields playing "horribly," and instead, Crede will be traded to the Giants before opening day. And to whoever started the "I bet the Giants will pick up Inge before we can trade them Crede because we always have all of the bad luck and all of the other teams have everything go right for them like when the Tigers won the World Series in 2006 and made the playoffs last year and the Sox didn't win the World Series in '05." The Giants had a better version of Inge in Pedro Feliz if they wanted him, and rather than Inge's ridiculous $19.1 mil over 3 years, they could have gotten him for $8 mil over 2 years.......and they didn't want him. Edited February 19, 2008 by Vance Law Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Feb 19, 2008 -> 02:57 PM) When a team is completely devoid of a position prospect and has a payroll in excess of 100 million dollars they dont trade one of their only guys who are cheap and so far have shown a propensity to hit at the major league level with power. Trading Fields and keeping a Boras client would be dumb. You will have Pablo Ozuna or some retread over at 3rd next year if you did that. Because Mr. Boras doesnt negotiate. Your boy is going to FA. I totally agree, don't get me wrong. But who would bring more value at this time? I think it's Fields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 QUOTE(Vance Law @ Feb 19, 2008 -> 06:28 PM) And to whoever started the "I bet the Giants will pick up Inge before we can trade them Crede because we always have all of the bad luck and all of the other teams have everything go right for them like when the Tigers won the World Series in 2006 and made the playoffs last year and the Sox didn't win the World Series in '05." Joe Buck would be confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Always trade the older, more expensive player for the less expensive, younger player with potential. It's all about team profits and potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Feb 19, 2008 -> 03:34 PM) I totally agree, don't get me wrong. But who would bring more value at this time? I think it's Fields. Danks might have the most value of anybody on the roster right now. But trading him would be even more dumb than trading Fields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 What makes people think Crede can obtain us draft picks? First off there's no chance he'll become a type A, and I don't know how good of season he'll have to have just to become a type "B" free agent which would net us one supplemental pick. Big whoop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Feb 19, 2008 -> 07:17 PM) What makes people think Crede can obtain us draft picks? First off there's no chance he'll become a type A, and I don't know how good of season he'll have to have just to become a type "B" free agent which would net us one supplemental pick. Big whoop. People have this romantic idea that Crede will have a great season, look at the sox insignia, see the people with the banners saying "Stay Crede" and he and Boras will have a change of heart and sign a long term deal for a reasonable amount of money. Fantasy and bulls***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 19, 2008 -> 04:39 PM) Always trade the older, more expensive player for the less expensive, younger player with potential. It's all about team profits and potential. Trying to reel it in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Feb 19, 2008 -> 05:34 PM) I totally agree, don't get me wrong. But who would bring more value at this time? I think it's Fields. So then what happens in 2009 when the White Sox have no 3Bman at all? It's not about f***in value, it's about getting something for a player who is going to be gone next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Feb 19, 2008 -> 07:17 PM) What makes people think Crede can obtain us draft picks? First off there's no chance he'll become a type A, and I don't know how good of season he'll have to have just to become a type "B" free agent which would net us one supplemental pick. Big whoop. He'd have to surpass his '05 production in order to qualify as a Type B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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