Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Jan 19, 2009 -> 02:46 PM) Drafting an OLineman in the first round is a waste unless it is your only need. Other than that, you could find a Pro Bowler in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Boldin a 2nd tier WR? Have you checked his numbers? http://www.nfl.com/players/anquanboldin/profile?id=BOL283010 Keep in mind, he also suffered through the likes of Josh McCown. Well golly gee! I didn't know it was THAT easy! I obviously disagree with you. And I can easily say the only way you trade a first rounder for a WR is if that's your only need (which obviously isn't anywhere near the case). Other than the QB position, the most important element to a quality offense is having your offensive line solidified. If a guy like Michael Oher, Jason Smith or Duke Robinson is available, that's a no-brainer, IMO. And, yes, Boldin is second-tier. You're not possibly suggesting he's in the first-tier with Fitzgerland, Johnson and Smith, are you? And he will be 30 soon and has a history of injuries. No way in hell you give up a first rounder for him. Edited January 19, 2009 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 No way in hell you give up a first rounder for him. I think youre over valuing a first rounder. Even if Boldin is second tier, most of the WR's you could get in the mid first round are going to max out as second tier talent. Then there are the boatload of first round picks who are completely crap and do nothing (Big Mike Williams, Charles Rogers, Troy Williamson and the list goes on). So if you are getting a known quantity in Boldin for only a first round pick, its generally not a bad deal unless he gets hurt or leaves via free agency after 1 year. Boldin also would be the best back up qb the Bears have, haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I wouldn't mind. Plus, he might have an injury plagued past, but keep in mind this whole jaw issue was a freak accident. Any WR would have broken their jaw on that hit. I'd rather trade for him then try to draft Kenny Britt or Hakeem Nicks and pray that they turn out to be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 19, 2009 -> 03:47 PM) I think youre over valuing a first rounder. Even if Boldin is second tier, most of the WR's you could get in the mid first round are going to max out as second tier talent. Then there are the boatload of first round picks who are completely crap and do nothing (Big Mike Williams, Charles Rogers, Troy Williamson and the list goes on). So if you are getting a known quantity in Boldin for only a first round pick, its generally not a bad deal unless he gets hurt or leaves via free agency after 1 year. Boldin also would be the best back up qb the Bears have, haha. And I don't want a WR in the first round. Other than Michael Crabtee, there's no WR worth taking that early. We need offensive/defensive line upgrades more than we need a WR. If our defense is even above average last year, we probably win 12 games. And our o-line is pretty much old and decrepit outside of Beekman/Williams. And if Orton sucks as bad as everybody seems to think, what impact is Boldin really going to have anyway? And you can't ignore his age and injury history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Im not saying that for the Bears trading a 1st rounder would be the best decision. (I think they may be able to get one via FA) Im just saying that Boldin for a single first rounder is not a bad deal for a team who needs a solid WR. More of a commentary on Boldin's value, than his value to the Bears. Also for Orton, Boldin would be a very good receiver as he runs short quick routes and gets a ton of YAC. That was the Purdue offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 19, 2009 -> 03:37 PM) Well golly gee! I didn't know it was THAT easy! I obviously disagree with you. And I can easily say the only way you trade a first rounder for a WR is if that's your only need (which obviously isn't anywhere near the case). Other than the QB position, the most important element to a quality offense is having your offensive line solidified. If a guy like Michael Oher, Jason Smith or Duke Robinson is available, that's a no-brainer, IMO. And, yes, Boldin is second-tier. You're not possibly suggesting he's in the first-tier with Fitzgerland, Johnson and Smith, are you? And he will be 30 soon and has a history of injuries. No way in hell you give up a first rounder for him. Skill positions are much more important than G or T positions. WR is probably the 2nd most important position on offense. RB's are a dime a dozen IMHO and that's another position in which you could find a 1000 yard rusher in the 2nd round. Good WR's are hard to find and when you could get a sure bet who's a star WR, you do it. The dropoff between 1st round offensive lineman and 2nd round lineman is not as big of a difference to sway you to pick that over a position player that is of need. If you need both, always go skill position 1st, then lineman 2nd. And in the case of the Bears, their skill positions are what really sucks right now minus maybe LB core and they're not all that great either. They need a QB, WR, SS, FS, and two CB. Boldin would be a much bigger boost than whatever OL in the 1st round. Not saying they will trade for Boldin, but it would be much smarter to do so. Edited January 19, 2009 by nitetrain8601 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 might be too soon, but I wonder if McGahee is questioning the thought of playing football. In the two biggest games of his career, he has personally just gotten absolutely destroyed in both of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Jan 19, 2009 -> 04:21 PM) Skill positions are much more important than G or T positions. WR is probably the 2nd most important position on offense. RB's are a dime a dozen IMHO and that's another position in which you could find a 1000 yard rusher in the 2nd round. Good WR's are hard to find and when you could get a sure bet who's a star WR, you do it. The dropoff between 1st round offensive lineman and 2nd round lineman is not as big of a difference to sway you to pick that over a position player that is of need. If you need both, always go skill position 1st, then lineman 2nd. And in the case of the Bears, their skill positions are what really sucks right now minus maybe LB core and they're not all that great either. They need a QB, WR, SS, FS, and two CB. Boldin would be a much bigger boost than whatever OL in the 1st round. Not saying they will trade for Boldin, but it would be much smarter to do so. We don't seem to agree on anything when it comes to football. lol. I can't believe you think WR is the second most important position on offense. But you're entitled to your opinion. I'm not against trading first round picks for the right guy. I just don't think Boldin is that guy. And you just stated that the Bears need a QB. So I'm going to assume you don't think Orton is the answer. So why would you trade a first round pick for a WR when you don't even believe in the current QB? We already saw what happened with Moose (I know Boldin is better. But Moose was coming off a fantastic year before we signed him. And he was only a year or two older than Boldin at the time). You better be damn sure you have your QB in place before you start trading picks for 30-year old WRs. We can go back and fourth all day on what position is more important. But if you look at the years in which we were good this decade (2001, 2005, 2006), you'll see that we had at best average WRs but above average offensive lines. I don't think there's any debating quality o-line is much more important than quality WR. But like I said, you're entitled to your opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Bears need a pass rush first and foremost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Jan 19, 2009 -> 04:59 PM) Bears need a pass rush first and foremost. They need CB who could cover receivers so the pass rush has time to get there. And Anquan Boldin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasox24 Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Jan 19, 2009 -> 05:59 PM) Bears need a pass rush first and foremost. Yes, they do. I don't think it's a coincidence that our DB's looked great back in 2005/2006 when the Bears had a really good pass rush. If you're giving a QB 6-7 seconds to throw the ball, it's nearly impossible for a DB to stay with his man for that long when the WR has all the advantage of knowing exactly where he's going and when he's cutting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Brandon Williams, DE from Texas Tech would be a very good pick-up for a team like the Bears in the 3rd round. 6'5 260 pounds, and led the Big 12 in sacks. 20 years old, suprised everyone in the program by declaring for the draft as a junior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 QUOTE (bschmaranz @ Jan 19, 2009 -> 10:54 AM) To quote Kurt, "amen" Pardon me if I'd like my football to be free of props to Jesus over and over again. Tim Tebow must make you want to spontaneously combust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 QUOTE (Palehosefan @ Jan 19, 2009 -> 07:56 PM) Brandon Williams, DE from Texas Tech would be a very good pick-up for a team like the Bears in the 3rd round. 6'5 260 pounds, and led the Big 12 in sacks. 20 years old, suprised everyone in the program by declaring for the draft as a junior. Finally somebody else brought it up. I was waiting for him to declare and he did. I was very impressed with him against Texas, and that's just 1 game. I'd love to see us take him with our first 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Jan 19, 2009 -> 07:57 PM) Tim Tebow must make you want to spontaneously combust. Him and Colt McCoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Best football news of the year for me, http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs2008...tory?id=3867263 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (SoxFanForever @ Jan 21, 2009 -> 08:45 AM) Him and Colt McCoy. Edited January 29, 2009 by RockRaines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Best article about this years Super Bowl so far. http://www.barstoolsports.com/article/rank...l_hookers/3061/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 BRUCE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSoxfan1986 Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 31, 2009 -> 02:27 PM) BRUCE! Sucks that Dent didn't get in. It's a complete joke that Fred Dean got in last year but Dent is still waiting. But the Pro Football Hall of Fame is a complete joke anyways. It was good to see derrick Thomas get in though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 QUOTE (WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Jan 31, 2009 -> 12:44 PM) Sucks that Dent didn't get in. It's a complete joke that Fred Dean got in last year but Dent is still waiting. But the Pro Football Hall of Fame is a complete joke anyways. It was good to see derrick Thomas get in though. Really, the 6 person limit just doesn't work. Not with a team made up of ~25 regular starters, not counting the executives, broadcasters, random other special teams guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I am so happy Derrick Thomas got selected. I haven't been this happy with sports since the White Sox won the World Series. Derrick Thomas was my football hero growing up, the reason why I'm a Chiefs fan. It was so devastating when he passed away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 (edited) Go Steelers! I know it's vogue to always take the underdog. But I'm actually getting sick of average teams (i.e. sleepwalking through the first 12-14 games and somehow getting hot towards the end) getting to, and in some cases, winning the SB. I know the NFL and most fans love the parity. But this is getting crazy. When was the last time you could say without question the two best teams made the SB? s***, when was the last time you could actually say the best team won the SB? Edited February 1, 2009 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 1, 2009 -> 03:17 PM) Go Steelers! I know it's vogue to always take the underdog. But I'm actually getting sick of average teams (i.e. sleepwalking through the first 12-14 games and somehow getting hot towards the end) getting to, and in some cases, winning the SB. I know the NFL and most fans love the parity. But this is getting crazy. When was the last time you could say without question the two best teams made the SB? s***, when was the last time you could actually say the best team won the SB? You could say the same thing about baseball. The champion of a sport with a 162 game season is decided by who can win 3 out of 5 and then 4 out of 7 twice, and the best team doesn't win too often as it turns out in MLB either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 (edited) Dan Patrick must have ran out of hair dye. And it just cracks me up. I can picture the production meeting. Boss: Who can we get to sit on the set and analyze football that is available? Employee #1: Joe Montana? Boss: Nah. Someone with more knowledge. Employee #2: John Gruden? Boss: Nah. Someone that know how to build a successful franchise. Employee #3: Tom Coughlin? Boss: Nope...I got it! Matt Millen! Edited February 1, 2009 by Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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