Official 2008-2009 NFL Thread

[RockRaines]

If Orton is out for a long period of time, the season might be over. They can't win with Rex, this offensive line in terms of run blocking, and this defense.

I was at the game, and i think the horrific nature of Rex's throws can really be seen live. He is not a very good QB and we better hope Orton comes back asap.

[DBAHO]

Brad Johnson is a bum, plain and simple. If Bollinger isn't out there to start the 2nd half, i'm breaking something.

Yeah he was just terrible.

 

The Cowboys need to win at least 5 of their next 7 to make the playoffs.

 

Will be a tall order to do so I think considering the teams they've still got to face (Pittsburgh, Philly in Philly, Washington in Washington, the Giants again).

[GoodAsGould]

I was at the game, and i think the horrific nature of Rex's throws can really be seen live. He is not a very good QB and we better hope Orton comes back asap.

 

What do you expect out of any QB who has been on the bench that long and not practicing with the first team offense. Truth of the matter is that Grossman is a much better pure passer than Orton ever will be just sometimes forces balls when he shouldn't and has size working against him. After a week of practice with the first team his passes will definitely be more crisp against the Titans and than Packers after, just who knows which team they will be going too.

[Steve9347]

I was at the game, and i think the horrific nature of Rex's throws can really be seen live. He is not a very good QB and we better hope Orton comes back asap.

I too was at the game (5th row endzone baby!)... anyway, you really could see how Rex just can't throw over the line, and how far off his passes are from the intended targets.

 

Now, he did spend the last two weeks acting like the opposing team's quarterback rather than his. Let's see what he can do given an entire week of working with the first team. He managed to win the game, and that's all that matters. As far as backup QB's go in the NFL, I'd probably take Rexy over anyone else out there.

[DBAHO]

I too was at the game (5th row endzone baby!)... anyway, you really could see how Rex just can't throw over the line, and how far off his passes are from the intended targets.

 

Now, he did spend the last two weeks acting like the opposing team's quarterback rather than his. Let's see what he can do given an entire week of working with the first team. He managed to win the game, and that's all that matters. As far as backup QB's go in the NFL, I'd probably take Rexy over anyone else out there.

Don't know about that.

 

Collins has done a solid job all year long for the Titans, Cassell seems to be doing decent enough for the Pats, Leinart would be a good QB for a lot of teams etc.

 

I'd still love Grossman over Brad Johnson though, that's for sure.

[Balta1701]

Buffalo is making me seem like an a**clown.

If you got to watch any of that game...I really got the feeling that Buffalo was still trying to find themselves. They got off to that hot, talented start, where Edwards seemed to be working magic in every 2nd half, and it seemed like they were just waiting around for someone to do something, rather than doing it themselves. Lots of mistakes, fairly poorly coached game, the team seemed a little dead and has seemed that way for a couple games.

 

With a young team, especially one with a coaching staff that is meh (Jauron), I'm not sure these games should be so unexpected. Now their job is to regroup, realize that they're getting it handed back to them, and come out & play like a team that wants to win in their next few division games.

[Balta1701]

Collins has done a solid job all year long for the Titans, Cassell seems to be doing decent enough for the Pats, Leinart would be a good QB for a lot of teams etc.

 

I'd still love Grossman over Brad Johnson though, that's for sure.

It's interesting the examples you pick, because you could certainly make the argument that Collins and Cassel aren't sucking because the teams around them are so good. Hell, with Cassell, it's hard not to think that about a guy who hadn't started since high school. I'm left wondering if Grossman couldn't be a pro-bowler in those slots.

 

Leinart, on the other hand, can't get around Warner, who isn't exactly a spring chicken.

[Steve9347]

It's interesting the examples you pick, because you could certainly make the argument that Collins and Cassel aren't sucking because the teams around them are so good. Hell, with Cassell, it's hard not to think that about a guy who hadn't started since high school. I'm left wondering if Grossman couldn't be a pro-bowler in those slots.

 

Leinart, on the other hand, can't get around Warner, who isn't exactly a spring chicken.

Exactly. Plus, at this point, with Vince Young doing what he did, I'd say Collins cannot be considered a "backup" right now. Young is the backup, and on this team, I'll take Grossman over him.

 

Cassel has a Pro Bowl offense around him. Rex would be really good on that team.

[Chisoxfn]

Rex made some good throws but he also made some bad ones. He had poor timing with his WR's but as a whole he did better than a lot of backups have done this season. Orton is the better QB, but Rex is a quality back-up and I expect him to improve in the coming weeks as he gets more reps in practice and more familiar with the wide-outs.

 

Of course he is going to have to go up against one hell of a defense next week.

[DBAHO]

It's interesting the examples you pick, because you could certainly make the argument that Collins and Cassel aren't sucking because the teams around them are so good. Hell, with Cassell, it's hard not to think that about a guy who hadn't started since high school. I'm left wondering if Grossman couldn't be a pro-bowler in those slots.

 

Leinart, on the other hand, can't get around Warner, who isn't exactly a spring chicken.

Collins is a guy though who knows his role and doesn't make mistakes. He doesn't turn the ball over, and you can't exactly say that about a Grossman for example.

 

Cassel doesn't have much of a running game, but I'll agree he's got a pretty damn good supporting cast.

 

Warner's argubly been a top 5 QB in the league this season, for Whiesenhunt is going to ride the hot hand there.

[DBAHO]

Exactly. Plus, at this point, with Vince Young doing what he did, I'd say Collins cannot be considered a "backup" right now. Young is the backup, and on this team, I'll take Grossman over him.

 

Cassel has a Pro Bowl offense around him. Rex would be really good on that team.

There's no way I'd take Grossman over Young, even if Young hasn't really shown the capabilities to be a guy who can pass the ball consistently, he can still open things up with his legs.

[Steve9347]

There's no way I'd take Grossman over Young, even if Young hasn't really shown the capabilities to be a guy who can pass the ball consistently, he can still open things up with his legs.

TWSS

[nitetrain8601]

Grossman is good with the deepball so instead of making him run the same offense as Orton, make him toss the deep ball. That's where he excels. Hell he made Benard Berrian a living with those throws.

[Kyyle23]

Collins is a guy though who knows his role and doesn't make mistakes. He doesn't turn the ball over, and you can't exactly say that about a Grossman for example.

 

Cassel doesn't have much of a running game, but I'll agree he's got a pretty damn good supporting cast.

 

Warner's argubly been a top 5 QB in the league this season, for Whiesenhunt is going to ride the hot hand there.

 

What Kerry Collins are you talking about?

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CollKe00.htm

 

The last year he got any play, 2006, he threw 1 TD and 6 INTs

2005 20 TD, 12 INT

2004 21 TD, 20 INT

2003 13 TD, 16 INT

2002 19 TD, 14 INT

 

And his career is all along those lines. Collins definitely turns the ball over. He has 3 picks to 3 TDs this year.

 

Now, he is managing the ball effectively for the Titans, and he is able to rely on an amazing defense. But if you stick him on a team with a less effective defense, I dont think he seems like such a great game manager.

 

 

 

 

 

[DBAHO]

What Kerry Collins are you talking about?

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CollKe00.htm

 

The last year he got any play, 2006, he threw 1 TD and 6 INTs

2005 20 TD, 12 INT

2004 21 TD, 20 INT

2003 13 TD, 16 INT

2002 19 TD, 14 INT

 

And his career is all along those lines. Collins definitely turns the ball over. He has 3 picks to 3 TDs this year.

 

Now, he is managing the ball effectively for the Titans, and he is able to rely on an amazing defense. But if you stick him on a team with a less effective defense, I dont think he seems like such a great game manager.

Well I mean with what he's done this season obviously. Seems as if he has matured quite a bit from his days with the Giants you could argue (although he did get them to a Superbowl as well).

 

That's all the Bears should ask Rex to do, manage the game. Unfortunately, their defense isn't as good as it was, and Rex may be forced to take some chances down the road.

[whitesoxbrian]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say 24-14 Bears. I think Hester will get his 1st return for a TD, I think they'll get a defensive TD, and I think Forte will have a solid day (110 total yards) and get a nice little 15 yard or so TD run.

 

 

 

BTW- Quinn to start over Anderson on Thursday.

Edited November 3, 2008 by whitesoxbrian

[MHizzle85]

Yeah he was just terrible.

 

The Cowboys need to win at least 5 of their next 7 to make the playoffs.

 

Will be a tall order to do so I think considering the teams they've still got to face (Pittsburgh, Philly in Philly, Washington in Washington, the Giants again).

I think if Romo is able to play after the bye week, it's not out of the question. Tough, but not out of the question.

 

I'm going to go out on a limb and say 24-14 Bears.

Bears aren't beating the Titans. If they could barely put away Detroit, Tennessee should be licking their chops.

[Balta1701]

Bears aren't beating the Titans. If they could barely put away Detroit, Tennessee should be licking their chops.

This is the NFL. ANYTHING can happen on a given week.

[Brian]

This is the NFL. ANYTHING can happen on a given week.

 

I just don't see the Bears scoring much on the Titans defense with Rex back there. The D-Line is tall for Titans. I see about 8 batted balls.

[whitesoxbrian]

I just don't see the Bears scoring much on the Titans defense with Rex back there. The D-Line is tall for Titans. I see about 8 batted balls.

What if good Rex shows up? What if the Bears 2nd half OL shows up?

[Brian]

Ben get benched? This is the first time I have sat and watch him play. He REALLY does hold the ball way to long. His O-line is awful though.

[whitesoxbrian]

Ben get benched? This is the first time I have sat and watch him play. He REALLY does hold the ball way to long. His O-line is awful though.

He did? He went to the locker room early before the end of the 1st half. Maybe they felt like they didn't want to aggravate his thumb any more??

[knightni]

What's the status of Chris Williams?

[Steve9347]

What's the status of Chris Williams?

He's an injury prone reach of a draft pick.

 

And he'll probably be on special teams again like he was last week.

[Palehosefan]

Ben didn't get benched, he just had a sore shoulder. Byron Leftwich has done an awesome job each time he has been in this year, team hasn't missed a beat. Ben still doesn't make the smartest decisions, and holding the ball as long as he does is going to keep getting him hurt. Especially behind this atrocious line. Chris Keomatu and Max Starks are easily the worst guard-tackle tandem in the league. Max Starks actually ducked a tipped pass last night instead of batting it down, costing Ben an INT. The guy is dumber and slower than a rock, it's scary to see him out there each week as a Steelers fan. Bad part is that Marvel Smith isn't much better.