thedoctor Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 QUOTE(rangercal @ Mar 4, 2008 -> 05:01 PM) Avg Ints Per year Brady 12.2 Manning 15.3 Favre 18 nice. some serious ownage going on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 As a football fan, I'm going to miss him. As a Bears fan, I say, good riddance. And as for the argument of best ever...did you also look at who's around them? Someone name the best RB and WR Favre has had. Driver? Freeman? Favre did more with less than any of those other QBs. I'm not saying he's the best of all time, but he's definitely in the top 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Mar 4, 2008 -> 11:03 AM) As a football fan, I'm going to miss him. As a Bears fan, I say, good riddance. My feelings exactly. ESPN Radio was saying he was pushing hard for the Pack to sign Moss... wonder if him re-signing with the Pats was the thing that pushed his decision into retirement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxPride56 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 QUOTE(SoxFan562004 @ Mar 4, 2008 -> 11:11 AM) My feelings exactly. ESPN Radio was saying he was pushing hard for the Pack to sign Moss... wonder if him re-signing with the Pats was the thing that pushed his decision into retirement Funny, my dad and I were talking about the same thing today... Maybe that did play a roll into his retirement. I am glad he got to walk away on his own terms, not many players get to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Mar 4, 2008 -> 12:03 PM) As a football fan, I'm going to miss him. As a Bears fan, I say, good riddance. And as for the argument of best ever...did you also look at who's around them? Someone name the best RB and WR Favre has had. Driver? Freeman? Favre did more with less than any of those other QBs. I'm not saying he's the best of all time, but he's definitely in the top 10. (only counting Years played with Favre) Green Bay Rbs Ahman Green 4x Pro Bowl selection (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004) 2x All-Pro selection (2001, 2003) Dorsey Levans 1x Pro Bowl selection (1997) 1x All-Pro selection (1997) Green Bay Wrs Sterling Sharpe 3x Pro Bowl selection (1992, 1993, 1994) 3x All-Pro selection (1992, 1993, 1994) Donald Driver 3x Pro Bowl selection (2002, 2006, 2007) All-Pro selection (2006) Antonio Freeman * 1x Pro Bowl selection (1998) * 1x All-Pro selection (1998) Javon Walker 1x Pro Bowl selection (2004) Gb TE's Bubba Franks 3x Pro Bowl selection (2001, 2002, 2003) Mark Chumura 3x Pro Bowl selection (1995, 1997, 1998) 2x All-Pro selection (1995, 1998) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 QUOTE(rangercal @ Mar 4, 2008 -> 11:01 AM) Avg Ints Per year Brady 12.2 Manning 15.3 Favre 18 So you can say for fact that every int ever thrown by Brett Favre was his fault? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 QUOTE(GoSox05 @ Mar 4, 2008 -> 12:25 PM) So you can say for fact that every int ever thrown by Brett Favre was his fault? Silly Argument. But, I'll go for the Bait. Let's say 2 Ints per year are not his fault. But, then you can make the same arguement for Manning and Brady. Avg Ints Per year Brady 12.2 Manning 15.3 Favre 18 (adjusted Avg Ints Per Year) Avg Ints Per year Brady 10.2 Manning 13.3 Favre 16 I really don't know what point you are trying to make. Enlighten me, please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 QUOTE(rangercal @ Mar 4, 2008 -> 11:33 AM) Silly Argument. But, I'll go for the Bait. Let's say 2 Ints per year are not his fault. But, then you can make the same arguement for Manning and Brady. Avg Ints Per year Brady 12.2 Manning 15.3 Favre 18 (adjusted Avg Ints Per Year) Avg Ints Per year Brady 10.2 Manning 13.3 Favre 16 I really don't know what point you are trying to make. Enlighten me, please! Stats aren't everything. To say someone is the best QB of their time by comparing int rates per year is looking at thing one sided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 QUOTE(GoSox05 @ Mar 4, 2008 -> 12:39 PM) Stats aren't everything. To say someone is the best QB of their time by comparing int rates per year is looking at thing one sided. And what would you go by? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 When I was in elementary school I used to hate the guy. The past few years I've started to respect him and the things he's done in his career. Either way whether you like him or dislike him, it's been a pleasure watching one of the greats play. I think you need to be retired for 5 years to be in the Hall of Fame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 (edited) QUOTE(rangercal @ Mar 4, 2008 -> 11:44 AM) And what would you go by? I don't know. Let me say I think trying to figure out who's the best QB or anyone position is dumb. It's a winless argument. All I know is I watched almost every game Brett Favre played and he was one hell of a QB and he was fun as hell to watch. That's how I judge him. Not his QB int rate per year. Edited March 4, 2008 by GoSox05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 QUOTE(GoSox05 @ Mar 4, 2008 -> 12:48 PM) I don't know. Let me say I think trying to figure out who's the best QB or anyone position is dumb. It's a winless argument. All I know is I watched almost every game Brett Favre played and he was one hell of a QB and he was fun as hell to watch. That's how I judge him. Not his QB int rate per year. I'm going by what the NFL uses to Judge Pro Bowlers, MVPs and Hall of Famers. We are not arguing who is the best 'Grinder', that is a winless arguement. If you won't go by statistical Categories and Wins, then I could argue the Rex Grossman is a better qb than Favre, now couldn't I ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 QUOTE(rangercal @ Mar 4, 2008 -> 11:51 AM) I'm going by what the NFL uses to Judge Pro Bowlers, MVPs and Hall of Famers. We are not arguing who is the best 'Grinder', that is a winless arguement. If you won't go by statistical Categories and Wins, then I could argue the Rex Grossman is a better qb than Favre, now couldn't I ? If you want to go by the stats. Than Favre is the best QB ever. He has the most wins, the most td's, the most completions. Everything, he has the most everything. Oh and he won three MVP's. So I guess he is the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 The starting QB's in the NFC North next year, as things currently stand are Aaron Rogers Rex Grossman Tavaris Jackson John Kitna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 QUOTE(GoSox05 @ Mar 4, 2008 -> 09:56 AM) If you want to go by the stats. Than Favre is the best QB ever. He has the most wins, the most td's, the most completions. Everything, he has the most everything. Oh and he won three MVP's. So I guess he is the best. He also has the most interceptions, and therefore he's the worst QB Ever. Or, we could all just stop this silliness and accept the fact that ALL of the career numbers are altered by the fact that he played for so long and that the current generation of QB's hasn't even had the chance to do that yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 QUOTE(GoSox05 @ Mar 4, 2008 -> 12:56 PM) If you want to go by the stats. Than Favre is the best QB ever. He has the most wins, the most td's, the most completions. Everything, he has the most everything. Oh and he won three MVP's. So I guess he is the best. I guess with that Argument, Brian Griese is a better Qb than Ben Roethlisberger ,Carson Palmer and Tony Romo. Career TDs Griese 114 Palmer 104 Roethlisberger 84 Romo 55 It's only a matter of time before Manning and Brady surpass Favre in every category but Ints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 QUOTE(rangercal @ Mar 4, 2008 -> 12:02 PM) I guess with that Argument, Brian Griese is a better Qb than Ben Roethlisberger ,Carson Palmer and Tony Romo. Career TDs Griese 114 Palmer 104 Roethlisberger 84 Romo 55 It's only a matter of time before Manning and Brady surpass Favre in every category but Ints. Its not about more. Its about the most. He has the most. Number 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 4, 2008 -> 12:59 PM) The starting QB's in the NFC North next year, as things currently stand are Aaron Rogers Rex Grossman Tavaris Jackson John Kitna. Id say the Vikings would be the favorites at this point. A lot can change, NFL Draft, free agency, trades, favre can change his mind again ect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 QUOTE(GoSox05 @ Mar 4, 2008 -> 01:03 PM) Its not about more. Its about the most. He has the most. Number 1. forget it. this is pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 QUOTE(rangercal @ Mar 4, 2008 -> 12:05 PM) forget it. this is pointless. That's the point. It dosen't matter who the best is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 No offense to you guys, but the NFC North looks like it's going to suck next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baines3 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 QUOTE(daa84 @ Mar 4, 2008 -> 08:41 AM) he might not even be in the top 10 in no particular order...brady manning bradshaw marino elway montana unitas staubach are/were all better imo I agree, Brett Favre was a great QB, but I think Roger Staubach was better. I wish him well in his retirement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Mar 4, 2008 -> 01:37 PM) No offense to you guys, but the NFC North looks like it's going to suck next year. NFC north may suck in 2009, but I would bet that the worst divisions will be the AFC West and NFC West. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandy125 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 QUOTE(rangercal @ Mar 4, 2008 -> 12:02 PM) It's only a matter of time before Manning and Brady surpass Favre in every category but Ints. Although they do have a good chance, you are counting your chickens a bit early. One of the main reasons that I think of Favre as one of the best is because he was always out there. He was like the Cal Ripken of football. If Brady and Manning can match up to that kind of longevity (just in the ballpark at least), then I will say they were better. I can't quite give them that yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHizzle85 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 All i'm gonna say is that let's see if Manning and Brady last 17 years and if they do see if their averages stay that high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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