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GAME THREAD - 3/11/08, SOX @ TEX


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QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Mar 11, 2008 -> 05:39 PM)
That tells me they are showcasing him rather than giving him an opportunity to prove himself so he can make the team.

Maybe, or maybe not. He's a first round pick, golden boy of the org, heir apparent in CF, 5 tool player, and has options left. Why trade him for something worth less? His value has been higher before and is worth more to the org if he fulfills his promise.

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QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 11, 2008 -> 05:41 PM)
Maybe, or maybe not. He's a first round pick, golden boy of the org, heir apparent in CF, 5 tool player, and has options left. Why trade him for something worth less? His value has been higher before and is worth more to the org if he fulfills his promise.

 

He was the golden boy of the organization in 2006. That was 2 years ago. Last year, Ozzie essentially threw him under the bus, and they haven't been happy with him since.

 

If he's changed and Ozzie and KW both feel it, perhaps he may make the team or stay in the organization. Perhaps not though too, what with them bringing in both Swisher and Quentin, and their love affair with Jerry Owens.

 

Only time will really tell.

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QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Mar 11, 2008 -> 05:39 PM)
That tells me they are showcasing him rather than giving him an opportunity to prove himself so he can make the team.

 

I think that was the original plan...but he's showcasing a bit too much right now....if the guy shows he's making strides, keep him and deal Owens. I don't think anyone would deny that Brian has more upside than Owens.

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But his value may not be as high as it's been (currently) since this time in ST back in 2006 RockRaines.

 

And considering we have quite a few alternatives in the OF now, it wouldn't surprise me to see a deal being made.

 

The Sox still need to look at re-stocking their farm system for instance.

 

They could try using BA as part of a deal for Brian Roberts maybe?

 

So there are a few options.

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Unfortunately Owens has the 1 thing that BA does not, and that's speed.

 

And that could be the difference b/w 1 making the team, and 1 person not and leaving the organization when it's all said and done.

 

I won't deny that I think BA is certainly a better option though (if he can hit adequately enough).

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QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Mar 11, 2008 -> 05:44 PM)
He was the golden boy of the organization in 2006. That was 2 years ago. Last year, Ozzie essentially threw him under the bus, and they haven't been happy with him since.

 

If he's changed and Ozzie and KW both feel it, perhaps he may make the team or stay in the organization. Perhaps not though too, what with them bringing in both Swisher and Quentin, and their love affair with Jerry Owens.

 

Only time will really tell.

What exactly did Ozzie do to throw him under the bus? Brian had a starting spot basically handed to him on a team favored to go to the World Series and he responded by having a bad season, came unprepared, and then showed up with a bad attitude. That sounds like Brian threw himself under the bus.

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QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Mar 11, 2008 -> 05:44 PM)
But his value may not be as high as it's been (currently) since this time in ST back in 2006 RockRaines.

 

And considering we have quite a few alternatives in the OF now, it wouldn't surprise me to see a deal being made.

 

The Sox still need to look at re-stocking their farm system for instance.

 

They could try using BA as part of a deal for Brian Roberts maybe?

 

So there are a few options.

Yeah, if we were the cubs, Roberts isnt coming here.

 

And why would it make sense to trade him? Would you get anything nearly as valuable as his talents in return? Probably not, it makes more sense to the organization and our system to either play him at the major league level or have him in AAA in case of an injury or an under performing player. Trading someone just to trade someone is stupid.

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QUOTE(iamshack @ Mar 11, 2008 -> 05:44 PM)
I think that was the original plan...but he's showcasing a bit too much right now....if the guy shows he's making strides, keep him and deal Owens. I don't think anyone would deny that Brian has more upside than Owens.

He has a huge amount of upside compared to Owens. BA could be a solid 5 tool player.

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Because if you keep him in AAA for another season, and he doesn't produce well, and you never use him, his value keeps dropping, and he's not going to be in your long - term plans, why does it make sense to keep him?

 

I just think that if a team such as Florida that needs a young CF (since Maybin isn't ready) came calling, KW would certainly listen, especially if he could get some young pitching back.

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QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Mar 11, 2008 -> 05:53 PM)
Because if you keep him in AAA for another season, and he doesn't produce well, and you never use him, his value keeps dropping, and he's not going to be in your long - term plans, why does it make sense to keep him?

 

I just think that if a team such as Florida that needs a young CF (since Maybin isn't ready) came calling, KW would certainly listen, especially if he could get some young pitching back.

If you can get equal or better value, you dont unload him to unload him, which at this point, you would be doing. He's worth more to the Sox as a reserve right now, than to deal him without seeing if he can play for us.

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QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 11, 2008 -> 05:51 PM)
He has a huge amount of upside compared to Owens. BA could be a solid 5 tool player.

 

It's more a question of if he's making progress with his previous weaknesses or if he's just cleaning up on bad pitching right now...and that's analysis that I hope our coaching staff is figuring out right now.

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QUOTE(iamshack @ Mar 11, 2008 -> 05:59 PM)
It's more a question of if he's making progress with his previous weaknesses or if he's just cleaning up on bad pitching right now...and that's analysis that I hope our coaching staff is figuring out right now.

I believe it will be one of the most crucial decisions of the offseason. Brian has hit in ST before, but it appears right now hes raking and walking in a different way. I personally hope it means he's turned the corner. Brian in CF would contribute so much more than Owens would its ridiculous.

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QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 11, 2008 -> 06:11 PM)
Nelson Cruz wins it for the Rangers on a walk off. Matt Anderson takes the Loss.

The real sox won, bench and garbage relievers lose. Pretty good game by us. Good hitting by some of the younger guys who have a future on this team, not a horrible pitching showing by guys who can make this team.

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QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 11, 2008 -> 05:49 PM)
What exactly did Ozzie do to throw him under the bus? Brian had a starting spot basically handed to him on a team favored to go to the World Series and he responded by having a bad season, came unprepared, and then showed up with a bad attitude. That sounds like Brian threw himself under the bus.

 

Erstad 2007 ST - .300/.329/.388/.717

Anderson 2007 ST - .308/.393/.462/.855

 

and then, upon calling him up, he never played him (19 plate appearances in the entire month of April)

 

That to me is throwing him under the bus.

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Cooper was quoted in a story posted on chisox.com that the young arms were a concern to the organization because they aren't showing the team anything. We are short handed on the farm. The performances we have been seeing lately are simply magnifying the problem. We have traded away most of our young hurlers thus depleting the farm system. If we have touble later in the season and need fresh arms I am not sure we can find them within our organization.

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QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Mar 11, 2008 -> 06:48 PM)
Erstad 2007 ST - .300/.329/.388/.717

Anderson 2007 ST - .308/.393/.462/.855

 

and then, upon calling him up, he never played him (19 plate appearances in the entire month of April)

 

That to me is throwing him under the bus.

so after he threw himself under the bus, he got thrown under the bus? His performance and attitude was one of the reasons we even went out looking for another player. All he had to do was act like a professional and perform, he admitted himself that he is now actually focused.

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QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 11, 2008 -> 07:01 PM)
so after he threw himself under the bus, he got thrown under the bus? His performance and attitude was one of the reasons we even went out looking for another player. All he had to do was act like a professional and perform, he admitted himself that he is now actually focused.

 

ah, i see. so this team puts childish vendettas ahead of fielding a team that's actually trying to win games. rgr that.

 

i don't give a damn about BA's attitude, if he was the better playing in 07 ST, then he should've been given the starting job, barring anything that would warrant the most absolute disciplinary matters (PEDs, illegal activities, etc)

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QUOTE(joesaiditstrue @ Mar 11, 2008 -> 08:33 PM)
ah, i see. so this team puts childish vendettas ahead of fielding a team that's actually trying to win games. rgr that.

 

i don't give a damn about BA's attitude, if he was the better playing in 07 ST, then he should've been given the starting job, barring anything that would warrant the most absolute disciplinary matters (PEDs, illegal activities, etc)

Actually they put his MLB stats and preparation ahead of meaningless ST stats. His .225 ba sub .300 OBP was most of what did him in.

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QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 11, 2008 -> 08:49 PM)
Actually they put his MLB stats and preparation ahead of meaningless ST stats. His .225 ba sub .300 OBP was most of what did him in.

 

maybe i'm "misremembering" (lol), but didnt sox brass state that between BA and Erstad, whichever had the better spring would get the starting job?

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QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 11, 2008 -> 08:49 PM)
Actually they put his MLB stats and preparation ahead of meaningless ST stats. His .225 ba sub .300 OBP was most of what did him in.

 

Yet can't consider player development?

 

He had a .694 OPS in the second half of '06; that's terrible, but it was better than what Erstad had put up in previous 768 PAs.

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