ZoomSlowik Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 (edited) Easily the best defensive effort I've seen from K-State all year. I thought USC was a mortal lock for 80 against them given their good efficiency and KSU's propensity for allowing big totals, but they really stepped up. Edited March 21, 2008 by ZoomSlowik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Mar 20, 2008 -> 08:33 PM) Easily the best defensive effort I've seen from K-State all year. I thought USC was a mortal lock for 80 against them given their good efficiency and KSU's propensity for allowing big totals, but they really stepped up. Yeah, if they play D like that again Saturday, Wisconsin is done. Of course, K State is super inconsistent so I'd be surprised if they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 If Wisconsin cant beat K-State they dont deserve to be in the NCAA tournament. USC and Wisconsin are completely different teams in terms of defensive and offensive capabilities. Efficiency: Wisconsin: Offense: 24 Defense: 1 USC: Offense: 48 Defense: 12 K-State: Offense: 21 Defense: 35 If you notice, Wisconsin's offense is just slightly worse than K-State, but their defense is much better. Over the season K-State and Wisconsin had 2 common opponents Colorado and Texas: Wisconsin 78 Colorado 52 Wisconsin 67 Texas 66 K-State 65 Texas 74 K-State 72 Colorado 56 K-State 78 Colorado 72 Wisconsin will not play box and 1, if Walker can score 20+ against Krabbenhoft than Wisconsin will be in for a long night. The problem is Wisconsin will not play box and 1, they will just rotate match ups on Beasley using size at some times and then going with guys like Landry and Krabbenhoft. Walker will be matched up with Flowers and Krabbenhoft and they wont care if Walker tries to post up on Flowers because Wisconsin will have so much more size in every other position. Also Wisconsin tried a new technique last night to combat Cal State's small line up, they just kept whoever was the big man in the paint (Butch) and just switched if his guy went to the perimeter. That way it still was man to man, just Wisconsin wasnt making its big men cover on the outside. On offense whichever big Beasley is matched on (presumably Landry or Butch) they will just feed the ball into and try and get him in foul trouble early. The problem for K-State in this match up is that Wisconsin is just replaceable parts, there is no player that has to do well for Wisconsin to win as any of them can be the star. Now K-State can win, but its going to take some one else stepping up and having another Walker night to really put the pressure on Wisconsin to guard multiple players. Also if K-State can start hot and Wisconsin cold that can lead to Wisconsin getting out of rhythm and not playing at the right game pace. (All efficiency stats courtesy of Kenpom) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 You guys don't deserve to be in the NCAA Tournament if you can't beat Kansas State? That's just ridiculous, Kansas State has by far the best player in America (sorry ESPN, It's Beasley and not Hansbrough) and they BLASTED one of the more dangerous middle seeds in the tournament last night. I agree that Wisconsin should play straight up though, Beasley is going to kill you no matter what, might as well try and keep guys like Walker and Pullen out of the act. I'm not a big fan of KenPom and the efficiency stats though, because according to them Illinois should have been a decent team this year and that's just ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 The part about them not being in the tourney was hyperbole, but it just is tiring to constantly hear how every team is better when some how Wisconsin managed to win 30 games. As for beating USC, I dont really understand why most people went with USC. I could only justify that pick in my upsets bracket because I just really did not feel at all comfortable with USC's ability to score points. I think it will be a good game, I just dont think the K-State coach will play Wisconsin the best way possible and it will lead to a frantic pace for K-State and turnovers bad shots. If K-State plays a slow tempo in half court and grinds each offensive possession you may see Wisconsin lose. I just think they will try and increase the tempo and then it will all come down to whether or not they are hitting 3's in transition. Bottom line, the entire premise of Bo Ryan's coaching philosophy is to be able to beat teams like K-State. They are young, they are not very disciplined, they try and push pace, they have 2 outstanding players, but not much depth. I just think it all favors Wisconsin, but then again I like underdogs (haha). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 I win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Curry for Davidon had 30 pts...in the 2nd half. Ended up with 40. Yikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 UMBC ain't scurred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 How 'bout that Siena huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimpy2121 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 I'm such a pansy...I had Siena on my bracket and changed it right before because I didn't have the balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Clemson lucky to be down only 4. Already blew a 16 point lead. Horrible 2nd half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Poor Clemson, still has absolutely no bench. But I'm sure Purnell will improve that in years to come as well. Oglesby is terrible and Sykes is beyond terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Jimbo has gotta be feeling good, the path to the Elite 8 is UNLV and then either Villanova or Siena. Things really opened up for the Jayhawks in this region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Well... THAT hurt. Bye bye Final Four team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Kansas State has very bad interior defense. On the other hand, Wisconsin has phenomenal defense everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Wisconsin looks flat out better early on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 I can't imagine Wisconsin can continue to hit shots like this, they just aren't a good offensive team. They'll win if they prove me wrong though in that regard, because K State plays no defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Mar 22, 2008 -> 02:41 PM) I can't imagine Wisconsin can continue to hit shots like this, they just aren't a good offensive team. They'll win if they prove me wrong though in that regard, because K State plays no defense. They are pretty much getting any shot they want right now. KState just collapses when the guards penetrate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Beasley blows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Pretty easy game to figure out here. Kansas State collapsing inside and making Wisconsin shoot the 3's, but they are open 3's. If Wisconsin can hit open 3's they win, if not they lose. They have done a good job at it so far at 7-15. Wisconsin is also being smart (at least I think so) in that they are letting Beasley have his (17 points so far) and just stopping everybody else. Bill Walker has 8, he needs to get up to about 20 if they want a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Beasley MAY be the best player in the country this year, but I dont believe him to be on the same level as players who are horrible mismatches offensively like Carmelo and Durant, and doesnt have the same physical presence of guys like Oden. He seems like a tweener on the college level to me. I could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 He's got a Shawn Marion thing going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 I'm glad Bill Walker got elbowed in the face. f***ing thug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 22, 2008 -> 09:27 PM) Beasley MAY be the best player in the country this year, but I dont believe him to be on the same level as players who are horrible mismatches offensively like Carmelo and Durant, and doesnt have the same physical presence of guys like Oden. He seems like a tweener on the college level to me. I could be wrong. His defense is disgraceful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 KSU's guards are freaking terrible. And I see Pullen still refuses to pass the ball to anyone in the interior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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