This is so crazy, it might just work! Naaah.

[Mplssoxfan]

Linkity.

 

For what it's worth, here's what I'd do: Stick Crede at third and Anderson in center, purely for their stellar defense early in the season, when the weather will make homers scarce and defense imperative. I'd stick Fields at second and deal with his poor range and hope that Joey Cora can teach him to turn a double play in short order. I'd stick Swisher in left and bat him leadoff, but freely insert Owens -- with Swisher, Paul Konerko, or Jim Thome sitting -- depending on the weather conditions and the pitching matchup.

 

More at link.

[southsideirish71]

Linkity.

More at link.

 

I stopped reading the minute the blogger who is a member of Crede's crew is moving Josh to 2nd. I love the fact that members of Crede's crew keep shuffling around players to fit a guy who is not all that good, just came off a bad back, and is a Boras FA. I can't wait to see an article where Josh is catching next.

 

 

 

[Leonard Zelig]

I stopped reading the minute the blogger who is a member of Crede's crew is moving Josh to 2nd. I love the fact that members of Crede's crew keep shuffling around players to fit a guy who is not all that good, just came off a bad back, and is a Boras FA. I can't wait to see an article where Josh is catching next.

 

Would you prefer to trade him for horses*** or send fields down?

[southsideirish71]

Would you prefer to trade him for horses*** or send fields down?

 

I prefer that we move him to catcher, then see if we can move Uribe to 1st, trade Paul Konerko, move Swisher to SS, and send Cabrera and Dye to AAA.

 

Exactly what bounty of goods do you think you are going to get at the deadline for Mr. Boras's client in his FA walk year with no comp. I mean is it a number 3 or 4 starter, or maybe their number 1 stud in the minors. What is a fair exchange for Brooks Robinson Jr.

 

 

 

Edited March 17, 2008 by southsideirish71

[Leonard Zelig]

I prefer that we move him to catcher, then see if we can move Uribe to 1st, trade Paul Konerko, move Swisher to SS, and send Cabrera and Dye to AAA.

 

Exactly what bounty of goods do you think you are going to get at the deadline for Mr. Boras's client in his FA walk year with no comp.

 

I'm not sure what your choice was.

[Steve9347]

Fields at 2B?

 

Why was this article posted?

[elrockinMT]

I stopped reading the minute the blogger who is a member of Crede's crew is moving Josh to 2nd. I love the fact that members of Crede's crew keep shuffling around players to fit a guy who is not all that good, just came off a bad back, and is a Boras FA. I can't wait to see an article where Josh is catching next.

 

What's wrong with liking Joe Crede? What's wrong with a young player like Fields, who KW and Ozzie said was athletic, being tested at a new position? Now do I think Josh Fields should be at second? No, I don't, but that's only because we have several good players there already. I woulds rather reamin positive about our players and not be so quick to condemn.

[elrockinMT]

I prefer that we move him to catcher, then see if we can move Uribe to 1st, trade Paul Konerko, move Swisher to SS, and send Cabrera and Dye to AAA.

 

Exactly what bounty of goods do you think you are going to get at the deadline for Mr. Boras's client in his FA walk year with no comp. I mean is it a number 3 or 4 starter, or maybe their number 1 stud in the minors. What is a fair exchange for Brooks Robinson Jr.

 

 

It appears teams like the Giants just want us to give Joe to them for free. There is no difference between free and someone with no big league experience or just middle of the road minor league average. I would want to see a real return for either Crede or Fields. I think this team can use both and both have futures with the Sox, if the Sox try and sign Crede.

[Princess Dye]

Here is the problem. For some reason, there is a group that holds Crede and Fields in the same group value wise, which is far from the case. On the open market,

 

Fields>>>>>>Crede, maybe with a few more >>

 

Exactly, it's time to come to the reality that no team should have much reason for wanting Crede.

 

He's no youngster and he's shown nothing with the bat lately. All that makes his defense a luxury most teams are going to do without. On TOP of all that, his contract status.

Edited March 17, 2008 by Princess Dye

[RockRaines]

What's wrong with liking Joe Crede? What's wrong with a young player like Fields, who KW and Ozzie said was athletic, being tested at a new position? Now do I think Josh Fields should be at second? No, I don't, but that's only because we have several good players there already. I woulds rather reamin positive about our players and not be so quick to condemn.

Joe Crede may not hit above the mendoza line, hes just not good. Why move a superior player to another position?

[Mplssoxfan]

Fields at 2B?

 

Why was this article posted?

For the discussion possibilities. I don't buy what the writer's selling either.

 

Josh does nothing for me at 2B, but, let's face it, we're looking at 86 wins this year, tops. Let's experiment.

 

I thought that the main thrust of the column is that Ozzie is set in his ways. I admire him, but he needs to try something different.

[hammerhead johnson]

Josh does nothing for me at 2B, but, let's face it, we're looking at 86 wins this year, tops. Let's experiment.

 

Well, his range is such that even if his other qualities out of the 2B slot were all-star caliber, he'd still be a below average defender overall. He could have the best accuracy in the league on throws to second off of double play balls, throws to 3rd and home off of relays, etc, but his horrific range would cancel all of that out.

 

This blogger retard didn't really think about range or anything like that, I'm assuming.

 

You need stellar defense out of the C, CF, and SS slots, and to a lesser extent, out of the 3B and 2B slots. You hide guys like Josh in LF, RF, and 1B. I'll never understand why we'd acquire Nick Swisher when we have Konerko/Thome/Dye/Fields. How many subpar defenders can you afford to take on, especially with Danks/Contreras/Floyd as your 3-4-5? LOL.

[knightni]

This seems like a very familiar topic to me for some reason.

[elrockinMT]

Joe Crede may not hit above the mendoza line, hes just not good. Why move a superior player to another position?

 

 

Sorry, but Josh Fields is

Edited March 18, 2008 by elrockinMT

[southsideirish71]

Sorry, but Josh Fields is

 

 

How is it hard to fathom that we are looking to get rid of Crede when he is represented by a man that the GM refuses to deal with, avoids his players like the plague and has his assistant GM deal with on year to year contracts. He is coming off an injury, and is going to provide no compensation as a type A or B free agent. We have someone waiting in the wings to take over, and his name is Josh. You dont need more players waiting in the wings, when you have a number 1 draft pick you feel high about ready to take over.

 

Kenny has stated over and over that if Crede is on the team, Josh will be at AAA. Why is that, thats because they play the same position. If they really were going to approach moving him around dont you think for a second that Josh would be getting playing time at other positions. Maybe he would of played some winter league ball in that position. I have a hard time believing that they would have them both playing 3rd base and then with a week or so left, switcheroo on Josh to say X position.

 

[Dick Allen]

How is it hard to fathom that we are looking to get rid of Crede when he is represented by a man that the GM refuses to deal with, avoids his players like the plague and has his assistant GM deal with on year to year contracts. He is coming off an injury, and is going to provide no compensation as a type A or B free agent. We have someone waiting in the wings to take over, and his name is Josh. You dont need more players waiting in the wings, when you have a number 1 draft pick you feel high about ready to take over.

 

Kenny has stated over and over that if Crede is on the team, Josh will be at AAA. Why is that, thats because they play the same position. If they really were going to approach moving him around dont you think for a second that Josh would be getting playing time at other positions. Maybe he would of played some winter league ball in that position. I have a hard time believing that they would have them both playing 3rd base and then with a week or so left, switcheroo on Josh to say X position.

They should have tried him at 2B last year. He probably would be a better 2B than LF, they could have seen if he would be at least adequate, but it is too late now.

[southsideirish71]

They should have tried him at 2B last year. He probably would be a better 2B than LF, they could have seen if he would be at least adequate, but it is too late now.

 

Why exactly would they have moved him to 2nd base last year when we have no one in the minors ready to go at 3rd and a Boras Client entering his walk year.

[max power]

Fields at 2B?

 

Why was this article posted*?

 

*written

[2nd_city_saint787]

Well, his range is such that even if his other qualities out of the 2B slot were all-star caliber, he'd still be a below average defender overall. He could have the best accuracy in the league on throws to second off of double play balls, throws to 3rd and home off of relays, etc, but his horrific range would cancel all of that out.

 

This blogger retard didn't really think about range or anything like that, I'm assuming.

 

You need stellar defense out of the C, CF, and SS slots, and to a lesser extent, out of the 3B and 2B slots. You hide guys like Josh in LF, RF, and 1B. I'll never understand why we'd acquire Nick Swisher when we have Konerko/Thome/Dye/Fields. How many subpar defenders can you afford to take on, especially with Danks/Contreras/Floyd as your 3-4-5? LOL.

 

 

I dont get why you dont understand why we got Swisher. You said we need good D at C, CG, SS, 3b, and 2b. Swisher plays none of those positions. He plays LF, Kong plays 1b, Thome DH, Dye RF, and Fields plays 3rd. According to your logic, the only problem is Fields bad D at 3rd because those other positions are positions where you hide your guys according to you. Getting Swisher is the best thing the sox have done since getting thome IMO.

[hammerhead johnson]

I dont get why you dont understand why we got Swisher. You said we need good D at C, CG, SS, 3b, and 2b. Swisher plays none of those positions. He plays LF, Kong plays 1b, Thome DH, Dye RF, and Fields plays 3rd. According to your logic, the only problem is Fields bad D at 3rd because those other positions are positions where you hide your guys according to you. Getting Swisher is the best thing the sox have done since getting thome IMO.

 

Acquiring Swisher means that we can't move Fields to left. That's why I didn't understand the move. Now, if they'd have gotten rid of Dye, or traded Fields, I'd have been fine with it. Having all three w/ two corner OF slots available is kinda stupid, though.

 

You can't afford to have a bad defender out of the 3B slot. Your instincts really have to be top notch with all of the laser beams jumping off the bats of these roid freaks. You have to be able to move around as well, and Josh ain't exactly Eric Chavez, you know what I'm saying?

[witesoxfan]

I think you can live with one below-average to average defender at one of those positions. AJ Pierzysnki has never been mr. dependable behind the plate defensively, and Iguchi was rather average defensively in 2005, perhaps slightly above. Right now, if the Sox enter the season with Anderson in CF, they'll have very good defense at probably the two most crucial positions on the field, AJ dicking around behind the plate, Fields(/Crede) at 3B, and whoever the hell at 2B. That would be fine by me.

[hammerhead johnson]

I think you can live with one below-average to average defender at one of those positions. AJ Pierzysnki has never been mr. dependable behind the plate defensively, and Iguchi was rather average defensively in 2005, perhaps slightly above. Right now, if the Sox enter the season with Anderson in CF, they'll have very good defense at probably the two most crucial positions on the field, AJ dicking around behind the plate, Fields(/Crede) at 3B, and whoever the hell at 2B. That would be fine by me.

 

Anderson in CF is crucial beyond words. How many runs does he save over the course of a season if he's getting regular minutes, especially with our lack of defensive range out of the corner OF slots?

 

AJ is a strong defender from a mental aspect, IMO. His tools might be slightly below average to average, but half of the defensive battle out of the C slot is actually knowing what in the hell it is you're doing, and AJ succeeds. Now, there's only so much that you can do with Danks/Contreras/Floyd, and our bullpen in 2007 was historically bad, but if you give him some personnel to work with, he's a defensive asset.

 

At the very least, have defensive assets out of the SS, CF, and C slots.

[lostfan]

Anderson in CF is crucial beyond words. How many runs does he save over the course of a season if he's getting regular minutes, especially with our lack of defensive range out of the corner OF slots?

 

AJ is a strong defender from a mental aspect, IMO. His tools might be slightly below average to average, but half of the defensive battle out of the C slot is actually knowing what in the hell it is you're doing, and AJ succeeds. Now, there's only so much that you can do with Danks/Contreras/Floyd, and our bullpen in 2007 was historically bad, but if you give him some personnel to work with, he's a defensive asset.

 

At the very least, have defensive assets out of the SS, CF, and C slots.

^^Haha, I know what point you were making but wrong sport my friend

 

IMO AJ has good awareness to do things like blocking the ball in the dirt but he's got no zip on those throws to 2nd at all most of the time. Overall he is a pretty average defender, nothing special. He's a good contact hitter when he WANTS to be, there are times when I want to high-five him for putting the ball in play when that's all he had to do to keep a rally going and there are times when I want to pull a Michael Barrett on him after he strikes out on that annoying "arrrghhhh please let me hit a homer oh whoops" uppercut swing. The only one on this team that should be doing that is Thome.