daa84 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 18, 2008 -> 05:37 PM) Joe Crede-singlehandedly killing our team stats. Danks appeared to settle down and really open up his repertoire after the 1st. i think jon danks is going to have a pretty decent major league career when its all said and done...similar to garland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 18, 2008 -> 04:39 PM) Wassermann comes in and K's both guys he faces. Sorry, I just can't get over that MacDougal is going to get a job over Wassermann. Huge mistake IMO. Wass has time to come back up, he has options and we can use them. No biggie. When McD fails, Wass comes up. The only thing that hurts Wass is that hes so situational and only good against a hitter from one side, whereas McD in theory can retire both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 QUOTE(daa84 @ Mar 18, 2008 -> 04:40 PM) i think jon danks is going to have a pretty decent major league career when its all said and done...similar to garland Honestly I think a little better cause his K rate seems very good. He's more of a strikeout pitcher IMO, and when he learns to hit bats and make ground balls, he should excel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 18, 2008 -> 05:39 PM) Wassermann comes in and K's both guys he faces. Sorry, I just can't get over that MacDougal is going to get a job over Wassermann. Huge mistake IMO. while im certainly not giving up on gavin floyd, im entertaining the idea that this team may be better having both mac and wasserman in the pen with masset in the rotation over floyd...i dont hate macdougal nearly as much as most here do...you have to remember this guy was a pretty darn good pitcher for 2 years before he had some struggles last year (which is not uncommon for a middle reliever) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 18, 2008 -> 04:41 PM) Wass has time to come back up, he has options and we can use them. No biggie. When McD fails, Wass comes up. The only thing that hurts Wass is that hes so situational and only good against a hitter from one side, whereas McD in theory can retire both. Wassermann has done well against a few lefties this spring, actually. He developed a change up specifically for that purpose. I don't know his stats for that situation in ST though - I can't find a sortable version of ST stats that includes those numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Ha! Naturally, as soon as I talk up Wassermann... he gives up a walk and a double, giving up a run in the process. Oh well. Like rock said, he's got options left, and chances are someone in the bullpen will falter or get hurt during the season. Having him, Ohka and Carrasco in AAA as backups is a decent place to be for the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 18, 2008 -> 02:53 PM) Ha! Naturally, as soon as I talk up Wassermann... he gives up a walk and a double, giving up a run in the process. Oh well. Like rock said, he's got options left, and chances are someone in the bullpen will falter or get hurt during the season. Having him, Ohka and Carrasco in AAA as backups is a decent place to be for the team. Compared with folks like Mike Myers, Brett Prinz, and Ryan Bukvich from last year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 18, 2008 -> 04:47 PM) Wassermann has done well against a few lefties this spring, actually. He developed a change up specifically for that purpose. I don't know his stats for that situation in ST though - I can't find a sortable version of ST stats that includes those numbers. Yeah but thats one pitch, his success rate against Righties is so much higher. .174 BA vs .533 11.57 ERA vs 1.74 . He didnt pitch many innings against lefties, but still, hes situational, and thats ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 18, 2008 -> 03:29 PM) Yeah but thats one pitch, his success rate against Righties is so much higher. .174 BA vs .533 11.57 ERA vs 1.74 . He didnt pitch many innings against lefties, but still, hes situational, and thats ok. IMO, there's nothing wrong at all with having a true ROOGY and a true LOOGY if your bullpen is constructed correctly. You've got Ortiz and Ramirez coming up in the 8th inning, you put in Logan for Ortiz, you put in Wasserman for Manny and Lowell, and then Jenks ends the game in the 9th. But you have to have enough other pitchers performing solid roles in the 7th inning and before for those guys to be used correctly to get through the roughest spot, since you're limited on roster spots for the pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 18, 2008 -> 05:32 PM) IMO, there's nothing wrong at all with having a true ROOGY and a true LOOGY if your bullpen is constructed correctly. You've got Ortiz and Ramirez coming up in the 8th inning, you put in Logan for Ortiz, you put in Wasserman for Manny and Lowell, and then Jenks ends the game in the 9th. But you have to have enough other pitchers performing solid roles in the 7th inning and before for those guys to be used correctly to get through the roughest spot, since you're limited on roster spots for the pen. You might be able to get away with it in the AL, but there are going to be times a couple of guys in the bullpen aren't available and if you only have these specialists available, things could get ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Mar 18, 2008 -> 03:44 PM) You might be able to get away with it in the AL, but there are going to be times a couple of guys in the bullpen aren't available and if you only have these specialists available, things could get ugly. Like I said, you need to have the bullpen constructed correctly. You really can't do it with a 6 man pen, you probably need a long man because you can't count on those guys for multi-inning performances in an extra inning game, you can't do it if you're trying to bury a guy who's struggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 18, 2008 -> 05:46 PM) Like I said, you need to have the bullpen constructed correctly. You really can't do it with a 6 man pen, you probably need a long man because you can't count on those guys for multi-inning performances in an extra inning game, you can't do it if you're trying to bury a guy who's struggling. The way the White Sox bullpen is constructed, it could be real dangerous because just about all of their middle relief guys average about an inning or less an appearance. (Linebrink, Dotel, MacDougal). You don't want Jenks to go more than an inning. Masset and Ohka are the 2 long guy candidates I guess, and if Wassermann and Logan are both on the team with the other 4 guys, the long man is going to have some pressure on him to eat some innings especially when you only have 2 guys in the rotation you really can count on to give you 6+ innings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Crede is on fire! 2 Hits today! PULL THE TRIGGER KENNY, SABEAN IS KNOCKING DOWN YOUR DOOR!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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