whitesoxfan101 Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 If this move means it's Ramirez's job like I am reading from this.............I just hope he's ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 I know the O's don't have a ss, but I still don't see why they'd want Uribe. They're in a pure rebuild mode right now. The only use they'd have for him is to hope he has a very strong first half so they could get something in a trade. I don't think I'd pay almost $5 mil for that lottery ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 03:07 PM) Hopefully the message from this move is..."Danny, Alexei, it's your shot, you've earned it". I think they made this move because of Ramirez's performance this spring. Hopefully we don't lock him in at 2nd base long term and block Richar while leaving us searching for the SS that he could be, but based on their recent statements that seems like a logical conclusion It makes sense. They are seeing something out of these kids that they really didn't want Uribe around to block. Its really unfortunate that the Cabrera trade took as long as it did to come about, because that forced Kenny to re-sign Juan. If he doesn't re-up with Uribe, he could have been looking at a situation where he shortstops were Ozuna and Gonzalez if he couldn't get a deal done, which would have forced him to overpay for someone like David Eckstein. He HAD to make sure he had a major league SS on his roster, otherwise he would have been hanging in the wind with his pants around his ankles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 03:09 PM) I know the O's don't have a ss, but I still don't see why they'd want Uribe. They're in a pure rebuild mode right now. The only use they'd have for him is to hope he has a very strong first half so they could get something in a trade. I don't think I'd pay almost $5 mil for that lottery ticket. Why not? Perfect one-year stop gap IMO for not bad money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 (edited) QUOTE(iamshack @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 04:09 PM) I would think Fields would get dealt before Quentin. And hopefully not both. everyone knows i love quentin, but strictly from the fact that it is alot easier (especially for us having anderson and owens) to fill OF than 3b i think id rather quentin get traded....quentin and fields would bad for roberts straight up.....this is all interesting considering ramirez is playing CF right now...maybe we are just gonna let richar play 2b and Aram be a utility BTW if this is true, it gives less credibility to front office saying crede will start...cuz 1 week ago they said uribe had the upper hand at 2b, and here we are letting him go Edited March 19, 2008 by daa84 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 get bent out of shape over bad longterm contracts lets not get bent out of shape over Crede and Uribe who come off the books after this year. it's JR's money, it's monopoly money, who cares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Well, that was unexpected. I agree with those that are hinting this might be part of some other move(s). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 03:09 PM) I know the O's don't have a ss, but I still don't see why they'd want Uribe. They're in a pure rebuild mode right now. The only use they'd have for him is to hope he has a very strong first half so they could get something in a trade. I don't think I'd pay almost $5 mil for that lottery ticket. Its one year. It gives them time to develop, trade for, or sign someone new next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 QUOTE(Wanne @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 04:11 PM) Why not? Perfect one-year stop gap IMO for not bad money. Because the O's are gonna suck and suck hard no matter who they have at ss. They have AAAA scrubs to throw in there for $4 mil less than Uribe, and you won't see any difference in the standings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 (edited) QUOTE(Princess Dye @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 04:13 PM) get bent out of shape over bad longterm contracts lets not get bent out of shape over Crede and Uribe who come off the books after this year. it's JR's money, it's monopoly money, who cares. not that i wanted torii hunter or aaron rowand, but that is 10 more mil we could have thrown at Free Agents like that, even if its not my money it is my team Edited March 19, 2008 by daa84 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Here is something I don't get. Uribe is DFA'd, Ramirez PRESUMABLY becomes our new 2B. Yet he is playing CF today?!?!?! Not sure about you guys but this SCREAMS Brian Roberts trade (or someone new at 2B). If this is to clear room for Sexi Lexi to play 2B, he would surely be getting as much time as he cane there, not Ozuna, and certainly you would think Richar would get time to play there as well. With Lexi in the outfield, this makes me think that they are still grooming him for the Utility role, and maybe they are on the fringes of acquiring a TRUE 2B, and not just plugging Richar into the spot. Anyone else see my logic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 (edited) QUOTE(daa84 @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 03:11 PM) BTW if this is true, it gives less credibility to front office saying crede will start...cuz 1 week ago they said uribe had the upper hand at 2b, and here we are letting him go Well of course you are correct there, but people here are just panicking about the Crede/Fields thing because starting Joe and sending Fields to AAA is exactly the type of thing our organization would do. As for a Roberts trade......this does point towards that, but what the hell can we give them? We have nothing. Edited March 19, 2008 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 QUOTE(daa84 @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 03:11 PM) BTW if this is true, it gives less credibility to front office saying crede will start...cuz 1 week ago they said uribe had the upper hand at 2b, and here we are letting him go I know when I am trying to trade someone, I go and tell everyone how s***ty they are... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 04:15 PM) Well of course you are correct there, but people here are just panicking about the Crede/Fields thing because starting Joe and sending Fields to AAA is exactly the type of thing our organization would do. it is? i mean..i guess i just dont see why? its not like we are the dodgers or giants and continue to bring in old vets to play over our youngsters....i mean KW has given alot of youngsters alot of chances without proving much....ie anderson owens sweeney jenks floyd danks garland back in the day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 QUOTE(JoeCoolMan24 @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 03:14 PM) Here is something I don't get. Uribe is DFA'd, Ramirez PRESUMABLY becomes our new 2B. Yet he is playing CF today?!?!?! Not sure about you guys but this SCREAMS Brian Roberts trade (or someone new at 2B). If this is to clear room for Sexi Lexi to play 2B, he would surely be getting as much time as he cane there, not Ozuna, and certainly you would think Richar would get time to play there as well. With Lexi in the outfield, this makes me think that they are still grooming him for the Utility role, and maybe they are on the fringes of acquiring a TRUE 2B, and not just plugging Richar into the spot. Anyone else see my logic? It makes sense, unless Uribe did something completely ridiculous in the last 24 hours, ie blow-up with KW or Ozzie, not show for something and the Sox are just willing to eat 4.5m to get him off the team. Look, I would love Brian Roberts, but I just can't come up with a package the Sox could offer, unless they really roll the dice for this year and offer Fields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 04:16 PM) I know when I am trying to trade someone, I go and tell everyone how s***ty they are... i guess i was just stating the obvious, but the entire message board threw a hissy fit in the crede thread earlier, so i guess i was just posting again here to tell those people to calm the freak down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 (edited) QUOTE(SoxFan562004 @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 02:17 PM) It makes sense, unless Uribe did something completely ridiculous in the last 24 hours, ie blow-up with KW or Ozzie, not show for something and the Sox are just willing to eat 4.5m to get him off the team. Look, I would love Brian Roberts, but I just can't come up with a package the Sox could offer, unless they really roll the dice for this year and offer Fields. But they would surely have enough time to simply move Lexi to 2B. It's ST, wouldn't be a problem to move him over and slot Ozuna in CF or LF with Swish to CF. And for a trade... I was thinking somewhere along the lines of.... Anderson/Owens/Quentin (one of them) along with Richar, Masset, and Broadway. Edited March 19, 2008 by JoeCoolMan24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Uribe gone? What? Are you serious? I have mixed feelings about this. I wanted him gone after the end of last season and thought it was dumb resigning him. But now with the season starting up shortly, I don't see the point of getting rid of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Let's see. Uribe can be 2B, SS, 3B... Cincinnati (SS), San Francisco (3B), Los Angeles (3B), Washington (2B?/SS?), Baltimore (2B/SS), Houston (SS?), Cubs (2B?). Am I missing anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 It feels good to know that I wont have to watch this man swing a bat in a whitesox uniform ever again.So refreshing,I think Iam gonna go take a nice long dump in honor of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 QUOTE(JoeCoolMan24 @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 01:19 PM) I was thinking somewhere along the lines of.... Anderson/Owens/Quentin (one of them) along with Richar, Masset, and Broadway. I think the only way to construct a deal that might draw legit interest from them out of those people is to use Quentin + more, and I think that Quentin is talented enough that he's way too much to give up for Roberts. It's worth remembering that the Orioles really have no need for a CF. Between Nick Markakis and Adam Jones, they have a solid young OF core, but still have one slot on the side. Anderson's value to a team is in no small part due to his CF defense, and the Orioles don't need that. And Owens won't have value for a team until he can show that he can put up a .350+ OBP and pull together 60-70 steals in a season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 QUOTE(JoeCoolMan24 @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 03:19 PM) But they would surely have enough time to simply move Lexi to 2B. It's ST, wouldn't be a problem to move him over and slot Ozuna in CF or LF with Swish to CF. And for a trade... I was thinking somewhere along the lines of.... Anderson/Owens/Quentin (one of them) along with Richar, Masset, and Broadway. Boy, KW would have to have a TON of faith in some of our A ball prospects to pull that one off. Anyone hear what the holdup with the Cubs and O's have been? I remember a couple of weeks ago hearing McPhail wasn't thrilled with the package and wanted to do some extended scounting on some of the prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 03:08 PM) Dropping a guy when his value is low because of injury who has put up great numbers throughout the minors and is under our control for little salary for the next 5 years in exchange for a more expensive guy named in the Mitchell report who is under our control for less time and who blocks 2 more of our young guys who could very easily handle that position today at a vastly lower cost...that's not the kind of move this franchise needs to be making. I do not think Quentin stock is that low. The cub deal is offering nothing that is better than Quintin or Richar it is quantity v. quality. If he cub pitchers were worth anything, they'd be getting a look right now. The O's have some interesting pieces that while they are not glamourous could help fill the roster (bad bullpen contracts, Melvin Mora, Jay Payton, etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 QUOTE(Princess Dye @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 03:13 PM) get bent out of shape over bad longterm contracts lets not get bent out of shape over Crede and Uribe who come off the books after this year. it's JR's money, it's monopoly money, who cares. Other things I would rather do with the 4.1 million dollars. I would of rather have taken some of that monopoly money and used it to spice our slot allocation for the 08 draft. I would of rather have used it for an international signing. Used it to go over on a few guys later in the draft to entice from going to college. Money might not be a lot in the long run, but with our organization 4 mill is still 4 mill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 alexei ramirez is leading off and has about a 10 pitch AB going ....and goes yahtzee....peace uribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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