NorthSideSox72 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 I've contended that his glove work and approach in CF last season, as the season went on, started to approach average. His arm is the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Heh, that was still such a s***ty throw to second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 jesus, owens has a great arm, 1-hopper from shallow CF to 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 He was so close to 2b and still had to one bounce it to him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 21, 2008 -> 05:27 PM) I've contended that his glove work and approach in CF last season, as the season went on, started to approach average. His arm is the issue. there were reports last year that when he was in AA he was a below average CF and had to play LF...but even with his blunder in the first i actually think hes a very serviceable CF....not as good as BA, but certainly not as bad as rob mackowiak or carl everett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 QUOTE(daa84 @ Mar 21, 2008 -> 04:15 PM) in 100 games last year he walked 1 more time than crede has in any full year of credes career He also struck out 44 more times than Crede's career high in k's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 QUOTE(daa84 @ Mar 21, 2008 -> 04:29 PM) there were reports last year that when he was in AA he was a below average CF and had to play LF...but even with his blunder in the first i actually think hes a very serviceable CF....not as good as BA, but certainly not as bad as rob mackowiak or carl everett Yeah the Met exploited his defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 QUOTE(SoxAce @ Mar 21, 2008 -> 04:16 PM) N yet, people here still got on him for his K rate. Yes, because his OBP was still only .308 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 QUOTE(Heads22 @ Mar 21, 2008 -> 04:28 PM) Heh, that was still such a s***ty throw to second. That play was really a perfect picture - Owens could be a pretty decent CF, except for the arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 (edited) QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Mar 21, 2008 -> 05:30 PM) He also struck out 44 more times than Crede's career high in k's. yeah....explain why thats bad Edited March 21, 2008 by daa84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 QUOTE(daa84 @ Mar 21, 2008 -> 04:33 PM) yeah....explain why thats bad Because strikeouts don't move runners. Strikeouts don't make fielders field the ball and cause errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Quentin has been the forgotten man this spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Lots of position changes. Ramirez at short - I haven't gotten to see him play there much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Uh-oh...you know what happened the last time a catcher played 1B. Hang on to that shoulder Phillips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Hey, nice play Josh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Mar 21, 2008 -> 04:44 PM) Uh-oh...you know what happened the last time a catcher played 1B. Hang on to that shoulder Phillips. They've had him over there a few times. Phillips is getting a lot of playing time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 (edited) QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Mar 21, 2008 -> 05:35 PM) Because strikeouts don't move runners. Strikeouts don't make fielders field the ball and cause errors. i just have a difference of opinion than i guess.....over the course of the season.....in the 50 times a guy like crede puts the ball in play for outs more than fields roughly 2 will cause errors (assuming .960 flding %)...the moving runners thing...yeah how many times over the course of the season will crede get the job done when fields wont? 5? besides the stats we are looking at dont adequately even reflect that because we dont know how each batter fared in those specific situations...also you gotta factor in the extra Gidps too... its my opinion that the 30 extra walks are quite a bit more valuable than those few extra times the opposition makes an error or the guy is moved over Edited March 21, 2008 by daa84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Floyd. 6 IP 6 H 2 R 2 ER 0 BB 4 SO Not too shabby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 21, 2008 -> 04:45 PM) Hey, nice play Josh! He's not awful defensively. He makes some nice plays. He is prone to blow easy ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Mar 21, 2008 -> 02:44 PM) Quentin has been the forgotten man this spring. Well, to be fair, he's still considered less than healthy and he's only hitting .227. He needs time to get back healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Mar 21, 2008 -> 04:44 PM) Quentin has been the forgotten man this spring. Yeah, which I don't get, if he's supposedly healthy. Either he really isn't yet, or they are not making a good decision there, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Mar 21, 2008 -> 04:31 PM) Yes, because his OBP was still only .308 Ha and Crede's career is an awesome .304 but do go on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sf_soxfan Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 He's definitely keeping them in the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 QUOTE(daa84 @ Mar 21, 2008 -> 04:46 PM) over the course of the season.....in the 50 times a guy like crede puts the ball in play for outs more than fields roughly 2 will cause errors (assuming .960 flding %)...the moving runners thing...yeah how many times over the course of the season will crede get the job done when fields wont? 5? besides the stats we are looking at dont adequately even reflect that because we dont know how each batter fared in those specific situations... its my opinion that the 30 extra walks are quite a bit more valuable than those few extra times the opposition makes an error or the guy is moved over Fields OBP was .308 last year. Crede's career is .305. I think the 100 fewer strikeouts Crede would provide would more than make up for that .003 loss of OBP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 QUOTE(AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Mar 21, 2008 -> 04:01 PM) Gavin as our 5th starter is going to be a huge mistake. He stunk it up in Philly (I've seen about 95% of his starts/appearances with Philly) and still hasn't even improved from that. I hope our 5th starter isn't on the team yet because if so, it's going to be a long season every 5th day. Pretty good outing from him today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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