Greg Hibbard Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 so, what's the scoop on this guy? http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-08...1,1333999.story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 (edited) From what i hear he is the 'next big thing'. That may be an over statement but at least we have a pitcher in our farmsystem to finally look forward to seeing kind of like McCarthy back in the day.. Edited March 22, 2008 by GreatScott82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Jew-Power!! I think Poreda sounds great and all, but I didn't like reading that he says he wants to throw 70-90% Fastballs, and his secondary pitches are "good enough". I don't think he will be able to survive on 70-90% fastballs in the majors. Big league players can smash fastballs, he needs at least 1 more great pitch before I can see him doing anything in the majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Poreda seems like a good guy and smart, too.. Howver, this is soley based of an interview on whitesox.com. At least he is a potential closer in the making, but if his secondary stuff is coming along as people are saying, he could become a top pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 He'll prob end up in the bullpen as he really has one pitch, though that pitch is extremely heavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 QUOTE(JoeCoolMan24 @ Mar 22, 2008 -> 01:21 PM) Jew-Power!! I think Poreda sounds great and all, but I didn't like reading that he says he wants to throw 70-90% Fastballs, and his secondary pitches are "good enough". I don't think he will be able to survive on 70-90% fastballs in the majors. Big league players can smash fastballs, he needs at least 1 more great pitch before I can see him doing anything in the majors. Major League pitchers throw primarily 70-80% fastballs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 QUOTE(JoeCoolMan24 @ Mar 22, 2008 -> 02:21 PM) Jew-Power!! I think Poreda sounds great and all, but I didn't like reading that he says he wants to throw 70-90% Fastballs, and his secondary pitches are "good enough". I don't think he will be able to survive on 70-90% fastballs in the majors. Big league players can smash fastballs, he needs at least 1 more great pitch before I can see him doing anything in the majors. Bartolo Colon only used his fastball back in his hay-day, and i think that he was pretty successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 (edited) I'm trying to rationalize what we're hearing now based on a series of posts/conversations that took place on the board back in November. For example: "LHP Aaron Poreda: Poreda complained of a hurting shoulder & elbow and the player development guys said he had complained much of the year (this is why he missed a good portion of time mid-season). Poreda is a disaster with his arm swing and is an injury waiting to happen. He possesses some power stuff, but he has no feel for a breaking ball. He can't spin a curveball or a slider. At this point, he projects much more of a pen-guy than a starter, but even that is in question because of his inability to throw a breaking ball to keep Left-Handed hitters honest. The West-Coast coordinator & regional scouts both lost their jobs for this draft pick recently. Should say something about his future ability." BureauEmployee171 http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=61743 http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...1743&st=150 I'm not trying to be critical of anyone. I'm just trying to understand how people could be fired for drafting the player who is considered the top prospect in our organization... and who management is talking about fast-tracking to the majors. What am I missing? Edited March 23, 2008 by scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Mar 22, 2008 -> 06:05 PM) Major League pitchers throw primarily 70-80% fastballs. shhhh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 QUOTE(scenario @ Mar 23, 2008 -> 12:49 AM) What am I missing? That our minor league depth is really really bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 QUOTE(sayitaintso @ Mar 23, 2008 -> 01:28 AM) Bartolo Colon only used his fastball back in his hay-day, and i think that he was pretty successful. Johan throws a ton of fastballs too. He uses the changeup as that go-to pitch. I don't hardly ever see him throw the slider, maybe a handful of times a game, he really doesn't even need to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 According to this Santana has thrown less than 60% fastballs each of the past three seasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 (edited) What I'm trying to say is that the vast majority of his pitches are fastballs and changeups, and that you'd think there would be a lot more breaking pitches but there really aren't. edit: nevermind the original edit if you saw it Edited March 23, 2008 by lostfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Mar 22, 2008 -> 05:05 PM) Major League pitchers throw primarily 70-80% fastballs. Yea but at least those other pitchers probably have other good pitches to compliment. He basically just said all he has is his fastball, and if I read that, im sitting fastball every single time. If his other pitches aren't good as well, you won't have much trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 It doesn't matter. It's all good. We will likely trade him in a year or two for someone else's top minor league pitcher anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 QUOTE(scenario @ Mar 23, 2008 -> 01:49 AM) I'm trying to rationalize what we're hearing now based on a series of posts/conversations that took place on the board back in November. For example: "LHP Aaron Poreda: Poreda complained of a hurting shoulder & elbow and the player development guys said he had complained much of the year (this is why he missed a good portion of time mid-season). Poreda is a disaster with his arm swing and is an injury waiting to happen. He possesses some power stuff, but he has no feel for a breaking ball. He can't spin a curveball or a slider. At this point, he projects much more of a pen-guy than a starter, but even that is in question because of his inability to throw a breaking ball to keep Left-Handed hitters honest. The West-Coast coordinator & regional scouts both lost their jobs for this draft pick recently. Should say something about his future ability." BureauEmployee171 http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=61743 http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...1743&st=150 I'm not trying to be critical of anyone. I'm just trying to understand how people could be fired for drafting the player who is considered the top prospect in our organization... and who management is talking about fast-tracking to the majors. What am I missing? Perhaps not everyone is right all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez's Ghost Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 QUOTE(JoeCoolMan24 @ Mar 23, 2008 -> 10:21 AM) Yea but at least those other pitchers probably have other good pitches to compliment. He basically just said all he has is his fastball, and if I read that, im sitting fastball every single time. If his other pitches aren't good as well, you won't have much trouble. If you have control and command of the pitch, you can have a long career throwing fastballs. I have heard Hawk say many times that the best pitch in baseball is the properly located fastball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 He's 6-foot-6? That screams lotta walks to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 QUOTE(greg775 @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 12:44 PM) He's 6-foot-6? That screams lotta walks to me. Height has nothing to do with control. Stop comparing every tall guy to Sisco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 QUOTE(JoeCoolMan24 @ Mar 23, 2008 -> 10:21 AM) Yea but at least those other pitchers probably have other good pitches to compliment. He basically just said all he has is his fastball, and if I read that, im sitting fastball every single time. If his other pitches aren't good as well, you won't have much trouble. Randy Johnson has 2 pitches. Given, both are like HoF caliber pitches, but he has two pitches all the same. If Poreda can make a decent slider out of his slot, hes got a chance to be a starting pitcher. QUOTE(greg775 @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 12:44 PM) He's 6-foot-6? That screams lotta walks to me. Randy Johnson walked a lot of guys too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 I'm just happy the Sox finally have another pitcher in the minors who could be a potential stud #1. As happy as I am having Swisher...the cupboard felt kinda bare when DLS was traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Rowland Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 QUOTE(knightni @ Mar 23, 2008 -> 11:48 AM) Perhaps not everyone is right all the time. Whatever happened to Bureau, anyway? Did he catch a lot of heat from his employer for posting here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 QUOTE(scenario @ Mar 23, 2008 -> 12:49 AM) I'm not trying to be critical of anyone. I'm just trying to understand how people could be fired for drafting the player who is considered the top prospect in our organization... and who management is talking about fast-tracking to the majors. What am I missing? I think that one's quite simple. 1) We have by far the worst system in the majors, so being the top prospect in it ain't no thang. I think Slav could be a top 5 starter in our system. 2) Management is probably full of s*** and not intending on fast-tracking him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 QUOTE(Pants Rowland @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 02:48 PM) Whatever happened to Bureau, anyway? Did he catch a lot of heat from his employer for posting here? Or maybe he wasn't exactly who he said he was... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 QUOTE(greg775 @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 12:44 PM) He's 6-foot-6? That screams lotta walks to me. Buh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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