Masset is 25

[Princess Dye]

 

 

 

 

 

Will soon turn 26

 

I felt this way before, but now that I realize his age...this is so needed. He was touted as a velocity guy and we havent even seen that big time.

 

 

 

 

Wasserman older but right now better.

Edited March 25, 2008 by Princess Dye

[Balta1701]

I read the title of this thread and immediately thought it meant he had the last roster spot in the bullpen.

[Dick Allen]

If Wasserman could go 3 or 4 innings, Masset would be either picked up by another team or a Charlotte Knight. The problem is the Sox have 3 starters capable of being on the ropes in the 3rd or 4th or 5th inning and a bullpen loaded with 1 inning guys. They need someone who can go 3 or 4 in the bullpen, and right now Masset is that guy even though they probably won't be quality innings and his propencity for not wanting to throw strikes will make vendors around the league very happy.

[Princess Dye]

If Wasserman could go 3 or 4 innings, Masset would be either picked up by another team or a Charlotte Knight. The problem is the Sox have 3 starters capable of being on the ropes in the 3rd or 4th or 5th inning and a bullpen loaded with 1 inning guys. They need someone who can go 3 or 4 in the bullpen, and right now Masset is that guy even though they probably won't be quality innings and his propencity for not wanting to throw strikes will make vendors around the league very happy.

 

any other long relief candidates? I'd be fine with seeing MacDougal in that role til he proves he's a setup guy again.

[Balta1701]

any other long relief candidates? I'd be fine with seeing MacDougal in that role til he proves he's a setup guy again.

Well, let's see. Dotel's had enough arm trouble that 2 innings for him will probably be pushing it. In the past 3 years, Linebrink has pitched 219 innings in 217 games appeared in, which screams 1 inning guy, although he can probably give you 2 in a pinch. Jenks is closing. Logan is a solid LOOGY but has enough trouble against righties that you don't want him being a long man. Thornton can probably give you a couple innings, but who knows what to expect from him, just like MMac.

 

I think the reality is that Masset is out of options, and if the team believes he has any talent at all, they're not going to give up on him for nothing.

[Dick Allen]

any other long relief candidates? I'd be fine with seeing MacDougal in that role til he proves he's a setup guy again.

That's the problem. He's also a 1 inning guy. I was surprised they cut Ohka so quickly. The long man doesn't have to be Cy Young, but it would be nice if he could keep the score down. The good news is if the long man is the White Sox biggest issue this year, there will be a lot of wins.

[Balta1701]

That's the problem. He's also a 1 inning guy. I was surprised they cut Ohka so quickly. The long man doesn't have to be Cy Young, but it would be nice if he could keep the score down. The good news is if the long man is the White Sox biggest issue this year, there will be a lot of wins.

I don't believe Ohka was cut, but he was reassigned to minor league camp. The team would only have had to cut him if they signed him to a major league contract.

[WilliamTell]

I read the title of this thread and immediately thought it meant he had the last roster spot in the bullpen.

 

I thought that too.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

any other long relief candidates? I'd be fine with seeing MacDougal in that role til he proves he's a setup guy again.

 

Carrasco ?

[Marky Mark]

How bout Oneli?

[knightni]

How about Broadway?

[RockRaines]

Will soon turn 26.

snip snip

 

I felt this way before, but now that I realize his age...this is so needed. He was touted as a velocity guy and we havent even seen that big time.

Wasserman older but right now better.

So if you want an older guy, why talk about his age?

[Princess Dye]

So if you want an older guy, why talk about his age?

 

simple. Wasserman is older and has shown consistent ability to do something. Get righties. Masset is about as old and yet we're still waiting for any kind of reliability.

Edited March 25, 2008 by Princess Dye

[scenario]

Thornton will likely be the long guy. He pitches well against right-handers and actually does better when he goes 1 inning + than he does in shorter outings.

[Pants Rowland]

It sounds like even Soxtalk can't wait to leave Tucson and get this season started.

[RockRaines]

simple. Wasserman is older and has shown consistent ability to do something. Get righties. Masset is about as old and yet we're still waiting for any kind of reliability.

That makes about zero sense, but ok.

 

 

And Wass isnt a long guy, he's basically a 1 inning situational guy at the MLB level. Who is going to pitch garbage innings when the starter gets knocked around? Mac, Logan, Dotel, Jenks, Linebrink, Wass are all 1 to MAYBE 2 inning guys. If you can come up with the magical player that fits the bullpen in that role, maybe you would have an actual argument. But comparing age for zero reason and just saying he hasnt shown us anything is a waste of a thread.

[Princess Dye]

That makes about zero sense, but ok.

 

 

What about it makes no sense? Do you actually think that Masset has shown more reliability as a pro than Wasserman? Granted the sample size is not huge for either, but

 

 

Wasserman, career ERA 2.74

 

Masset, career ERA 7.09

 

 

 

And compare their ST reliability as well. It's similar, actually. So, again, since you didnt understand: if we're not talking about 23 yr olds, then play the one that has had success.

 

 

Not difficult to see who has done more as a pro. That's all my point was. Now if you want to list other reasons why Wasserman is a bad fit, by all means. But if you're 'win now,' then go with the guy in his mid-twenties who has contributed to more winning baseball than the other.

Edited March 25, 2008 by Princess Dye

[RockRaines]

What about it makes no sense? Do you actually think that Masset has shown more reliability as a pro than Wasserman? Granted the sample size is not huge for either, but

Wasserman, career ERA 2.74

 

Masset, career ERA 7.09

And compare their ST reliability as well. It's similar, actually. So, again, since you didnt understand: if we're not talking about 23 yr olds, then play the one that has had success.

Not difficult to see who has done more as a pro. That's all my point was. Now if you want to list other reasons why Wasserman is a bad fit, by all means. But if you're 'win now,' then go with the guy in his mid-twenties who has contributed to more winning baseball than the other.

Ugh, read a post before you quote it.

 

One is a long reliever, the other is situational, do I have to sell you a clue?

[EvilJester99]

I'd rather see Carrasco than Masset.

[Princess Dye]

Ugh, read a post before you quote it.

 

One is a long reliever, the other is situational, do I have to sell you a clue?

 

I fully understand your point, and I addressed it in a post prior to yours. Looks like you're the one who hasnt been reading. In truth, you're the one who disregarded my point about what determines whether you keep a 25 yr old. It's not high ceiling. People who want Masset think ceiling, for some reason. I cant think what else the reason might be.

 

If you'd actually read the thread, you'd see that I think MacDougal should be in our thinking for long relief. And be better at it than Masset, who has done nothing at the MLB level. If you want someone to go 3 innings and continue having horrendous pitching ability throughout those innings--- yes, scamper towards that at full speed.

Edited March 25, 2008 by Princess Dye

[RockRaines]

I fully understand your point, and I addressed it. But you're the one who disregarded my point about what determines whether you keep a 25 yr old. It's not high ceiling.

 

If you'd actually read the thread, you'd see that I think MacDougal should be in our thinking for long relief. And be better at it than Masset, who has done nothing at the MLB level. If you want someone to go 3 innings and continue having horrendous pitching ability throughout those innings, scamper towards that full speed.

Once again, you are ignoring the main point. McD isnt a long reliever, nor has he proven to have the ability. In case you want to keep posting this nonsense, he is the proof:

 

MacDougal career stats

 

Pitch 1-15 2.76 ERA 1.34 WHIP

Pitch 16-30 6.64 ERA 1.87 WHIP

Pitch 31-45 19.50 ERA 1.33 WHIP

 

 

He then has a grand total of 8 innings pitching beyond pitch 45, and the last time he went that far was 2001, before several injuries. HES NOT A LONG RELIEVER.

 

And I am not arguing that Masset should be there, but right now he's our only option for someone who can go 3+ innings in relief, he doesnt do it very well, but at least he has the ability. Right now we have specialists on the roster, nobody between McD, Wass, Jenks, Dotel, Line, Logan should go more than 1 maybe 2 innings.

[Princess Dye]

Once again, you are ignoring the main point. McD isnt a long reliever, nor has he proven to have the ability. In case you want to keep posting this nonsense, he is the proof:

 

MacDougal career stats

 

Pitch 1-15 2.76 ERA 1.34 WHIP

Pitch 16-30 6.64 ERA 1.87 WHIP

Pitch 31-45 19.50 ERA 1.33 WHIP

 

 

He then has a grand total of 8 innings pitching beyond pitch 45, and the last time he went that far was 2001, before several injuries. HES NOT A LONG RELIEVER.

 

And I am not arguing that Masset should be there, but right now he's our only option for someone who can go 3+ innings in relief, he doesnt do it very well, but at least he has the ability. Right now we have specialists on the roster, nobody between McD, Wass, Jenks, Dotel, Line, Logan should go more than 1 maybe 2 innings.

 

 

A strong argument against MacDougal, a guy who has been successful in the league, but is not a setup guy right now..... versus Masset who has had no success against, well, anyone. MacDougal bad in third inning...but Masset bad in..all innings, from what ive seen.

 

 

Even with your stats that youve just looked up, I'll take that over Masset.

 

You say "he has the ability." Ability to do what? Again, point to what Masset has done in this game. If anything, your line of argument would point to Tomo Ohka being in there over any of these guys. He's the one who had a spring, and has a history of starting. I dont know if he makes my team, but I know Masset doesnt.

Edited March 26, 2008 by Princess Dye

[RockRaines]

Once again, you are ignoring the main point. McD isnt a long reliever, nor has he proven to have the ability. In case you want to keep posting this nonsense, he is the proof:

 

MacDougal career stats

 

Pitch 1-15 2.76 ERA 1.34 WHIP

Pitch 16-30 6.64 ERA 1.87 WHIP

Pitch 31-45 19.50 ERA 1.33 WHIP

 

 

He then has a grand total of 8 innings pitching beyond pitch 45, and the last time he went that far was 2001, before several injuries. HES NOT A LONG RELIEVER.

 

And I am not arguing that Masset should be there, but right now he's our only option for someone who can go 3+ innings in relief, he doesnt do it very well, but at least he has the ability. Right now we have specialists on the roster, nobody between McD, Wass, Jenks, Dotel, Line, Logan should go more than 1 maybe 2 innings.

Bolded for you Princess. Seriously.

[scenario]

Masset gets the start on Wednesday...

 

With Wasserman following him.

 

No pressure for those guys.

[lvjeremylv]

The good news is if the long man is the White Sox biggest issue this year, there will be a lot of wins.

Unfortunately, that's not our biggest issue. Clearly the biggest problem facing the Sox is going to be the starting rotation. Buehrle and Vaz are fine, but HUGE question marks from 3-5. It could be very ugly.