3/25 roster rumbles

[Guest]

Ya know...everybody's got their points on all these moves: Fields/Crede, BA/Owens, Uribe, etc...and it is what it is...but for the life of me I'm still trying to figure out just WHAT THE HELL Toby Hall brings to this team?!?

 

 

Toby Hall had a very serious injury last year and it was amazing that he was even able to come back and finish the season. Toby used to be a solid Catcher who could throw runners out better than AJ could (but who can't?) plus Hall has gotten some big hits against the Yankees and Red Sox. What does that matter? It matters because Hall has the experience and Ozzie/Kenny seem to like having experience at the catcher position over youth. you see what they did with miguel olivo.

[Guest]

Fields had about as many win shares in his partial season last year as Crede did in his "clutch" 05

 

the difference was Crede did it during a Championship run. Fields just got some big hits in the worst season I can remember from the White Sox in a long, long time. You have to go with experience in the end if you want to compete.

Edited March 25, 2008 by DonnyDevito

[RockRaines]

the difference was Crede did it during a Championship run. Fields just got some big hits in the worst season I can remember from the White Sox in a long, long time. You have to go with experience in the end if you want to compete.

Ah, I get it. Wins matter less when your team is worse. Probably easier to win when you suck.

[Dick Allen]

Fields got hot the last 2 weeks of the season. On Sept. 14 he was hitting .229 with a .283 OBP. He could use a little seasoning in AAA.

[southsideirish71]

Fields got hot the last 2 weeks of the season. On Sept. 14 he was hitting .229 with a .283 OBP. He could use a little seasoning in AAA.

 

 

Well based on your reasoning we can have the tub of goo that is the starter at 2nd to join him in AAA. He has been regressing over the last few years, and pretty much is the player that you think Fields is. Fields however is a rookie, and not making 4 million dollars. You think the goo at 2nd is a talented guy, and Fields needs more seasoning. I remember when Uribe needed a hot September to barely nip Brian Anderson in 06 for worst batting average.

 

 

 

[2nd_city_saint787]

I was listening to AM 1000 and they said the Sox were gonna name there 2nd basemen, I don't really wanna look through this whole thread so could someone tell me....sadly its prob Uribe isn't it........ on a side note I really don't mind the 3rd base situation, ya never know, crede might light it up the first part of the season which in return would get us a bigger return when we trade him (if we dont trade him then i have a problem with this). Fields is still young and if he really is as good as he was last yeat year I dont think this will "stunt his growth" at all. I'd try to hire Ventura as some kind of AAA coach and have him work with Fields on his D while hes down there.

[RockRaines]

Well based on your reasoning we can have the tub of goo that is the starter at 2nd to join him in AAA. He has been regressing over the last few years, and pretty much is the player that you think Fields is. Fields however is a rookie, and not making 4 million dollars. You think the goo at 2nd is a talented guy, and Fields needs more seasoning. I remember when Uribe needed a hot September to barely nip Brian Anderson in 06 for worst batting average.

Uribe has hit his ceiling and is older and overpaid, yet should play, but an improving month by month rookie with alot of upside for league minimum is bad. Logic is fun.

[Guest]

sadly, it is uribe. but atleast his defense will be stellar.

[scenario]

Well based on your reasoning we can have the tub of goo that is the starter at 2nd to join him in AAA. He has been regressing over the last few years, and pretty much is the player that you think Fields is. Fields however is a rookie, and not making 4 million dollars. You think the goo at 2nd is a talented guy, and Fields needs more seasoning. I remember when Uribe needed a hot September to barely nip Brian Anderson in 06 for worst batting average.

 

I'm not a big Uribe fan, but there is one big difference that you're not taking into account...

 

Uribe was 4th in MLB last year in defensive win shares. That's 4th among all players at all positions.

 

Meanwhile, Fields would be the worst defensive starter on our team - at a critical position. I think a little more defensive seasoning in AAA for Fields is probably a good thing for him and for the Sox.

Edited March 26, 2008 by scenario

[Kyyle23]

Crede should of won a gold glove in '05. If chicago didn't have crede's glove, they don't win a Championship. plus crede always seems to come up with a clutch hit or homerun.

 

The guy that did win that Gold Glove, Eric Chavez, went on to sign a 6 year 66 million dollar contract. He recently had back surgery to repair herniated discs in his back(sound familiar?), and now he is starting the season on the DL. Did I mention that he had an epidural shot in early March?

 

considering that Crede has had back problems on and off for the past 3-4 years, I have no problem letting him go.(no, I dont mean release him. Gotta get value back for him somehow)

 

And notice i didnt even bring up the contract/Boras situation, which is a whole other problem unto itself.

 

Its time to cut the cord

Edited March 26, 2008 by kyyle23

[Guest]

my opening day line up:

 

Swisher, LF

Cabrera, SS

Thome, DH

Konerko, 1B

Dye, RF

Pierzynski, C

Crede, 3B

Uribe, 2B

Ozuna, CF

 

[EvilJester99]

Ozuna in CF?? Yikes.

[BearSox]

I'm not a big Uribe fan, but there is one big difference that you're not taking into account...

 

Uribe was 4th in MLB last year in defensive win shares. That's 4th among all players at all positions.

 

Meanwhile, Fields would be the worst defensive starter on our team - at a critical position. I think a little more defensive seasoning in AAA for Fields is probably a good thing for him and for the Sox.

Not when Jerry Owens is out there in CF (as we all know he will be once he's off the DL), booting flyballs and having the weakest arm in all of baseball.

[flavum]

my opening day line up:

 

Swisher, LF

Cabrera, SS

Thome, DH

Konerko, 1B

Dye, RF

Pierzynski, C

Crede, 3B

Uribe, 2B

Ozuna, CF

 

I think it'll be:

 

Ozuna, Cabrera, Swisher, Konerko, Thome, Dye, Crede, Pierzynski, Anderson

 

Game 2:

 

Ramirez, Cabrera, Thome, Konerko, Dye, Swisher, Crede, Pierzynski, Uribe

 

[BearSox]

my opening day line up:

 

Swisher, LF

Cabrera, SS

Thome, DH

Konerko, 1B

Dye, RF

Pierzynski, C

Crede, 3B

Uribe, 2B

Ozuna, CF

 

The opening day lineup is pretty much set:

 

1. Ozuna, 2B

2. Cabrera, SS

3. Swisher, LF

4. Konerko, 1B

5. Thome, DH

6. Dye, RF

7. Pierzynski, C

8. Crede, 3B

9. Ramirez/Anderson, CF

[Guest]

Not when Jerry Owens is out there in CF (as we all know he will be once he's off the DL), booting flyballs and having the weakest arm in all of baseball.

 

no way it could be weaker than podsednik's!

[BearSox]

no way it could be weaker than podsednik's!

Oh it is. I think my niece can throw a ball farther then Owens.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Lineup I'd love to see opening day since Fields is gone.

 

Swisher LF

Cabrera SS

Quentin DH

Konerko 1b

Dye RF

Anderson CF

Ramirez 2B

Pierzynski C (actually considered Hall for an all righty lineup but just couldn't do it.

Crede 3B

 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Uribe has hit his ceiling and is older and overpaid, yet should play, but an improving month by month rookie with alot of upside for league minimum is bad. Logic is fun.

 

Wouldn't agree that Uribe has hit his ceiling. Outside of Anderson he's had the best ST of any Sox player. I know he's had good springs before then sucked but it wouldn't be unheard of for a player like him to have a breakout season.

[DBAHO]

Honestly, have you talked to McPhail? Does he want Uribe? Did he even off anything? Same with Crede. The Sox want something in particular for Crede and the Giants weren't willing to give it or don't have it. So...how exactly did they botch this situation? If I were the Giants or Dodgers, I want to see Crede do it when it counts. Or see what my own prospects can do first. Same with Uribe. Neither is a game changer, but they can be an upgrade.

Well look at who the O's have at SS currently, Luis Hernandez. Uribe at least offers a little more pop and is probably better defensively at SS. He really has no value at all at 2B as far as I'm concerned. Play Ramirez / Ozuna there (until Richar is healthy).

 

Uribe consistently puts up an OBP around the .270-.280 range, which is the main issue I have with him.

 

What if no-one wants Uribe though? We're stuck with him, and paying him 4.5M, which to me is an overpayment, and not a good allocation of resources.

[DBAHO]

Not when Jerry Owens is out there in CF (as we all know he will be once he's off the DL), booting flyballs and having the weakest arm in all of baseball.

His RZR would still be higher than Fields' from last season though.

[DBAHO]

Wouldn't agree that Uribe has hit his ceiling. Outside of Anderson he's had the best ST of any Sox player. I know he's had good springs before then sucked but it wouldn't be unheard of for a player like him to have a breakout season.

I think Uribe's probably gone on one of his "streaks" early.

 

He's just never been able to put up good offensive numbers over a sustained amount of time over a season (the 1st half of 2004 being the exception since he's been with us).

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

I think Uribe's probably gone on one of his "streaks" early.

 

He's just never been able to put up good offensive numbers over a sustained amount of time over a season (the 1st half of 2004 being the exception since he's been with us).

 

You're most likely correct but I like to dream BIG which in Uribe's case is apropos.

[DBAHO]

You're most likely correct but I like to dream BIG which in Uribe's case is apropos.

I mean I worry as well, what if Uribe puts up .270 with 30HR's this season?

 

Do the Sox re-sign him to a big contract? Because I think he would pack it in ALA Beltre, because he hasn't performed any other season when his contract hasn't been on the line.

[NorthSideSox72]

Not sure if these were mentioned in here yet, but, some official releases...

 

Owens is going to the 15-Day DL.

 

Fields is going to AAA.

 

They were both rumored, but are now both fact.

 

So that leaves the team now with decisions on... the last bullpen spot (Masset, Wassermann, Carrasco)... backup C (Hall, Lucy, Phillips)... 2B (Uribe, Ramirez, Ozuna) and the last two bench spots (Uribe, Ramirez, Ozuna, Quentin, Anderson). And with Owens on the DL, I think that means Quentin and Anderson are BOTH ON THE TEAM FOR OPENING DAY.