The joke that is KW and the White Sox

[witesoxfan]

When he has been healthy, Dye has preformed. If you call down him being always injured, I guess his career was up and down. He wasn't injured last year however, and last time I checked, having super slow bat speed is not an injury.

 

Really, Dye wasn't injured last year? That explains why he played in 138 games and missed 10 days from June 22nd to July 2nd.

 

I seem to remember that Dye was pretty banged up the entire first half with some type of hip injury, but he was playing through it because the Sox other option was Ryan Sweeney, who put up a massive .598 OPS in 50 PAs.

[iamshack]

well, he still must be injured, because this spring training, Dye's bat has looked slower then ever. I still think that 3 years, 30 some million dollar deal we gave him was f***ing stupid. We could really use those 2 draft picks (especially since we are losing one for the Linebrink signing, which I hate as well). We'll, I'm still excited about Quentin and he'll be fun to watch, whenever he gets healthy and gets his chance.

 

It's a 2 year, $22 million contract with a mutual option for '10 and a $1 million buyout.

[BearSox]

It's a 2 year, $22 million contract with a mutual option for '10 and a $1 million buyout.

I'm relieved, cause that means we will only be wasting 23 million on Dye... unless he re-learns how to hit and regains his bat speed.

[max power]

When he has been healthy, Dye has preformed. If you call down him being always injured, I guess his career was up and down. He wasn't injured last year however, and last time I checked, having super slow bat speed is not an injury.

Uh, yeah he was by his own admission.

 

Edit Oops, looks like everyone already proved you were way off about that.

Edited March 26, 2008 by max power

[iamshack]

I'm relieved, cause that means we will only be wasting 23 million on Dye... unless he re-learns how to hit and regains his bat speed.

 

I'm not sure if you were watching the second half of the season last year, but he seemed to "re-learn" how to hit then...

[WCSox]

He wasn't injured last year however

 

Bull. Dye was banged up with minor injuries for most of the first half of last year.

 

[DBAHO]

bearsox, ST is not the end all to be all.

 

Just because Dye struggles in ST, doesn't mean he's going to suck this season.

 

Post ASB last season, his OPS was above .900 last season IIRC.

 

He has shown what he's capable of when he's fully healthy.

 

He's argubly our best hitter when he's in form.

[max power]

Really, Dye wasn't injured last year? That explains why he played in 138 games and missed 10 days from June 22nd to July 2nd.

 

I seem to remember that Dye was pretty banged up the entire first half with some type of hip injury, but he was playing through it because the Sox other option was Ryan Sweeney, who put up a massive .598 OPS in 50 PAs.

lol, how ironic

[RockRaines]

You know its a bad post when kenny hates prospects agrees with you.

 

Honestly, not your best thread Steve.

Edited March 26, 2008 by RockRaines

[WhiteSoxfan1986]

Excellent post Steve

 

Once again Guillen proves he's a liar. Fields has the edge going into spring training, performs better than Crede, gets sent down. Why can't Fields at least stay on the roster? He would be a perfect fill-in at DH against lefties.

 

 

[Balta1701]

Excellent post Steve

 

Once again Guillen proves he's a liar. Fields has the edge going into spring training, performs better than Crede, gets sent down. Why can't Fields at least stay on the roster? He would be a perfect fill-in at DH against lefties.

Because the roster doesn't have room for a backup DH and 3rd baseman...we're already carrying a couple guys who can back up at each of those positions. And say what you want about going down to AAA stunting Fields's growth...sitting on the bench and DHing once a week if we're lucky would be even worse.

[CanOfCorn]

Because the roster doesn't have room for a backup DH and 3rd baseman...we're already carrying a couple guys who can back up at each of those positions. And say what you want about going down to AAA stunting Fields's growth...sitting on the bench and DHing once a week if we're lucky would be even worse.

 

Ahhh...the voice of reason. You can't force anyone to take Uribe or Crede if they don't want them. And for the love of god people, not directed at you Balta, but there would be a HUGE uproar over the bag of balls the Sox would've gotten for either of them.

 

Pessimistic Soxtalk Poster: KW suxors...we got a 32 year old rookie ball pitcher that throws an 84 mph fast ball, minus-minus secondary pitches, and is a headcase! What're the Sox thinking?

 

[NorthSideSox72]

Excellent post Steve

 

Once again Guillen proves he's a liar. Fields has the edge going into spring training, performs better than Crede, gets sent down. Why can't Fields at least stay on the roster? He would be a perfect fill-in at DH against lefties.

What exactly did Ozzie lie about?

 

[RockRaines]

Excellent post Steve

 

Once again Guillen proves he's a liar. Fields has the edge going into spring training, performs better than Crede, gets sent down. Why can't Fields at least stay on the roster? He would be a perfect fill-in at DH against lefties.

Yeah, cause its Guillen who makes the roster decisions. Why keep him up here when he could get everyday at bats in the minors?

[CanOfCorn]

What exactly did Ozzie lie about?

 

It's funny...I say something, things change, and I'm not called a liar. Yet, Ozzie says something, things change, and he's called a liar. Weird.

[almagest]

Complain all you want, but we have some genuinely exciting young talent waiting in the wings. Quentin, Anderson, Fields, Richar, and Ramirez all have pretty high ceilings, and even Owens can be useful as a 4 OF/speed off the bench guy. Plus, we have Swisher locked up for a while. Seems like a good core of young players to me.

 

Trading Crede and/or Uribe for nothing is a stupid thing to do. KW is right to hang on to them, especially with the rash of injuries this Spring Training. He's betting on one team getting desperate, and giving up something of genuine value. It's a good risk to take.

 

And if no team bites, what's the problem in keeping Crede & Uribe? It's not like benching either or both of them is going to magically make us win 100 games. The offense will score enough runs. We're going to live and die by pitching, as most teams do. If we can't catch lightning in a bottle again, you can bet we'll find some takers for our veteran talent at the break. And other guys, like Cabrera, we can hang on to until the end of the year and grab some type A or B draft picks.

 

I actually think Kenny did a pretty good job this off-season, especially considering we only won 72 games last year, and pretty much all of his "Plan A" moves didn't work out.

[nitetrain8601]

Complain all you want, but we have some genuinely exciting young talent waiting in the wings. Quentin, Anderson, Fields, Richar, and Ramirez all have pretty high ceilings, and even Owens can be useful as a 4 OF/speed off the bench guy. Plus, we have Swisher locked up for a while. Seems like a good core of young players to me.

 

Trading Crede and/or Uribe for nothing is a stupid thing to do. KW is right to hang on to them, especially with the rash of injuries this Spring Training. He's betting on one team getting desperate, and giving up something of genuine value. It's a good risk to take.

 

And if no team bites, what's the problem in keeping Crede & Uribe? It's not like benching either or both of them is going to magically make us win 100 games. The offense will score enough runs. We're going to live and die by pitching, as most teams do. If we can't catch lightning in a bottle again, you can bet we'll find some takers for our veteran talent at the break. And other guys, like Cabrera, we can hang on to until the end of the year and grab some type A or B draft picks.

 

I actually think Kenny did a pretty good job this off-season, especially considering we only won 72 games last year, and pretty much all of his "Plan A" moves didn't work out.

 

One of the most honest posts and just in case I never welcomed you, welcome!

 

[Want2Repeat]

I still hold out hope that the Sox will be good this year, but the thing that I absolutely can't get over is the notion that Gavin Floyd will be a good pitcher. I have been pessimistic on him from Day 1. My pessimism goes right to the guy's career stats. He is what he is. His spring has been horrible, capped off by an embarrassing start today. I just don't get how Kenny could go into this spring and not even assemble the resemblance of a competition for the 4th and 5th starting pitcher slots. I love KW as the GM, but he tends to show an unexplainable and stubborn tendency to over-value guys. I remember being at Soxfest in 07 and hearing KW say that the MCCarthy trade was as much about getting Masset as it was Danks. Guess what? Massett sucks equally as bad as Floyd. KW, you are still the man, but cut out the B.S. and call a duck a duck. (btw - Toby Hall is also horrible)

[chisoxt]

My main argument here is that management has no gameplan. Now, I understand Kenny holds onto the weird notion that the White Sox are going to compete this year. That's fine, delusional GMs eventually get fired. However, have you ever seen a true title contender have so many question marks heading into a season? Absolutely not.

 

Yeah, I jumped around a lot, but this is a lot of stupidity for one offseason. If the White Sox do what we think they will (hover around .500 or worse) with their 3-5 starters all being huge question marks and a lineup that still tries to only hit homeruns aside from its 33 year old shortstop, what will we have to show for it? I believe another relatively high draft pick that we can combine with this year's high pick to trade for another guy who will help Mr. AARP Jim Thome and co. flounder toward a .500 finish. Maybe we'll throw Poreda into that trade as well.

 

/rant

 

I agree with you on about every point. Kenny is a poor GM with a lifetime contract. I do not understand how most people can favor a trade for Swisher for top prospects, while many of these same people project the Sox as a .500 team at best and out of contention. At some point, your farm system will run out of players. Then what?

 

[CanOfCorn]

I agree with you on about every point. Kenny is a poor GM with a lifetime contract. I do not understand how most people can favor a trade for Swisher for top prospects, while many of these same people project the Sox as a .500 team at best and out of contention. At some point, your farm system will run out of players. Then what?

 

Of all the prospects that Kenny has dealt away, who do we really regret losing? Poor GM, eh? I wouldn't say he's a poor GM, at least he has the cojones to go after people. He isn't afraid to be wrong. And when he's right, he has every right to gloat, I think. Sure, he's made some poor moves. Sure he's called out players or managers in public, but if not for Ozzie and Kenny, the White Sox would be ghosts. No one would give a crap about this team. Personally, I think it's fun to think about what Kenny could possibly have up his sleeve, even if it makes me cringe. Poor...no. Ballsy...yes.

 

Give me Ken Williams over Bill Stoneman any day and twice on Sunday. The one thing he does is make it fun.

[Steve9347]

Honestly, not your best thread Steve.

That's just like.... yer opinion... man.

[iamshack]

Of all the prospects that Kenny has dealt away, who do we really regret losing? Poor GM, eh? I wouldn't say he's a poor GM, at least he has the cojones to go after people. He isn't afraid to be wrong. And when he's right, he has every right to gloat, I think. Sure, he's made some poor moves. Sure he's called out players or managers in public, but if not for Ozzie and Kenny, the White Sox would be ghosts. No one would give a crap about this team. Personally, I think it's fun to think about what Kenny could possibly have up his sleeve, even if it makes me cringe. Poor...no. Ballsy...yes.

 

Give me Ken Williams over Bill Stoneman any day and twice on Sunday. The one thing he does is make it fun.

 

I couldn't agree with this entire post more.

 

Excellent.

[WhiteSoxfan1986]

What exactly did Ozzie lie about?

 

He said that Fields it was Fields job to lose going into spring training. He lied the same way Joe Maddon lied about the Longoria situation.

[greg775]

I thought the initial post to open this thread was good.

Well thought out. Good stuff.

However ... what if Uribe gets his head out of his ass finally?

I'd rather him start right now than anybody else til Richar comes back.

It is a disgrace there's no spot for Fields. My preference was to not make the Swish

deal and let him play left and keep Crede at third.

You make a lot of good points, but hey ... this team still has some veteran presence.

If these vets are not over the hill and IF the bullpen can do something, we may

be a .500 team or better.

If the bullpen sucks and Thome, Paulie, Dye, AJP and Crede hit .250, yes we will

have one of the worst seasons in Sox history.

We shall see.

 

Good post, but on paper we still have a CHANCE.

If I had to bet, I'd say we'll finish closer to .400 than .600 but I'm hopeful.

[DaTank]

Excellent post Steve

 

Once again Guillen proves he's a liar. Fields has the edge going into spring training, performs better than Crede, gets sent down. Why can't Fields at least stay on the roster? He would be a perfect fill-in at DH against lefties.

 

So he can learn some better glove work down in the Minors with the opportunity to actually do what he deserves, to play every day.