Harry Chappas Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Mar 27, 2008 -> 10:00 AM) With 5 inning-Danks, Floyd, and a scary Contreras in the starting rotation, I want a guy who can give us 3-4-5 innings in the pen. I don't want to blow up all of these guys because one situational 6th inning guy pitched better in spring training and late last year. We need the guy who makes the most sense to the set up of the team. Even if it isn't Masset, we need a guy who can suck up innings in case starters falter. If Wasserman wants to be that guy, he had better stretch out that arm. I get think feeling that Danks and Floyd will not be pulled on a regular basis and it could get ugly as they are left out there to figure it out. It is my feeling that Ozzie will not kill the bullpen to cover their asses. They will each will throw 100 pitches no matter what. If it is 3 innigns or 5 they will be out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 I would rather see Carrasco in the pen than Masset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 QUOTE(fathom @ Mar 27, 2008 -> 10:21 AM) How many times since Ozzie's been with the Sox has he pulled a starter before 5 innings? I would guess we can count the number on one hand. We were also looking at a veteran staff he knew could pitch out of stuff. We don't have that luxury in two spots anymore. Especially if Floyd is Garland-esque fragile, you can't leave him out there for a 8-9 run preformance. Danks routinely was pulled in the 5th inning last year as the season went on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Mar 27, 2008 -> 10:58 AM) We were also looking at a veteran staff he knew could pitch out of stuff. We don't have that luxury in two spots anymore. Especially if Floyd is Garland-esque fragile, you can't leave him out there for a 8-9 run preformance. Danks routinely was pulled in the 5th inning last year as the season went on. And FWIW, Danks alone went 7 outings last year of less than 5 innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Garbage innings are underrated. If a starter gives up 10 runs in the first two innings and throws 80 pitches, we need someone to come in and either keep us in the game, or just take up those innings so we can reset and go at the team the next day. Without Masset, we dont have anyone that can do that. All the other long guys are in AAA in case of an injury to our starting staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Mar 27, 2008 -> 04:01 PM) And FWIW, Danks alone went 7 outings last year of less than 5 innings. And most of that was when Ozzie was fed up with Danks for not "competing" on the mound. The more I think about it, we really don't need both MacDougal and Wasserman on the roster. Both guys are righty specialists, in some ways. Like someone said earlier, I would have rather seen Carrasco than Masset as the long guy. People seem to forget that Masset's WHIP was in the stratosphere last season as a reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Mar 26, 2008 -> 08:12 PM) Of all the prospects that Kenny has dealt away, who do we really regret losing? Poor GM, eh? I wouldn't say he's a poor GM, at least he has the cojones to go after people. Unlike his predecessor, who sat on his ass and did nothing when the Sox were in the playoff hunt back in '96. Kenny has a number of well-documented flaws, but his aggressive approach has been overwhelmingly positive for the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 QUOTE(fathom @ Mar 27, 2008 -> 09:23 AM) The more I think about it, we really don't need both MacDougal and Wasserman on the roster. Given the Spring that MacDougal has been having, I'd say that he gets the nod. (Plus, Wassermann has three options left and Mac has none.) When Mac is on, he's effective. But keep him on a short leash. If he's putting up '07 numbers for the first month and a half, cut his ass and bring Wassermann up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 QUOTE(WCSox @ Mar 27, 2008 -> 09:27 AM) Given the Spring that MacDougal has been having, I'd say that he gets the nod. (Plus, Wassermann has three options left and Mac has none.) When Mac is on, he's effective. But keep him on a short leash. If he's putting up '07 numbers for the first month and a half, cut his ass and bring Wassermann up. MMac has one option year remaining. Not sure exactly how but that's been reported repeatedly, it has something to do with his DL time I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 27, 2008 -> 09:28 AM) MMac has one option year remaining. Not sure exactly how but that's been reported repeatedly, it has something to do with his DL time I think. Thanks. Did not realize that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Mac will probably make the team, but I have my cocnerns about Massett. I would like to see him succeed, but he doesn't seem to show he can come in and do the job. Hopefully he shows some growth today when he starts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 I'll throw this out there too about Masset/MacD/Wassermann. The biggest concern about Wass going into this spring was his horrible performance last year against lefties. Well, look at his numbers this spring, and specifically, note that he's not been used as a specialist at all. He's been putting up a full inning or two, and facing plenty of lefties. And yet, his numbers have been quite good - 3-ish ERA, a sub-1 WHIP, and striking out twice as many as he walks. It looks to me like, maybe, his new change-up and the changes he made about his mound location, have helped him out in his weak spot. These are spring numbers, but, I think he's showing signs he may be more than a ROOGY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 QUOTE(WCSox @ Mar 27, 2008 -> 11:23 AM) Unlike his predecessor, who sat on his ass and did nothing when the Sox were in the playoff hunt back in '96. Kenny has a number of well-documented flaws, but his aggressive approach has been overwhelmingly positive for the Sox. But what about jeremy reed and Mike Morse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 27, 2008 -> 11:38 AM) But what about jeremy reed and Mike Morse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 27, 2008 -> 12:38 PM) But what about jeremy reed and Mike Morse? Mike Morse is batting .518 in ST in 56 ABs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigHurt Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 I'm confused. If Swisher is leading off, it would seem obvious Owens isn't going to play? Or is that just for the DL stint? Either way, why is BA NOT going to be in CF, especially while Owens is on the DL? It makes NO sense to me. Who the hell is going to be the third OF during this time??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 QUOTE(TheBigHurt @ Mar 28, 2008 -> 01:48 PM) I'm confused. If Swisher is leading off, it would seem obvious Owens isn't going to play? Or is that just for the DL stint? Either way, why is BA NOT going to be in CF, especially while Owens is on the DL? It makes NO sense to me. Who the hell is going to be the third OF during this time??? My assumption is the OF will be Quentin-Swisher-Dye on Opening Day, but also sometimes Swisher-Anderson-Dye after that. Once Owens returns, I have no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 28, 2008 -> 02:53 PM) My assumption is the OF will be Quentin-Swisher-Dye on Opening Day, but also sometimes Swisher-Anderson-Dye after that. Once Owens returns, I have no idea. yeah i think thats whats going to happen...especiallly since anderson played a ton in CF in ST...im guessing ozzie wants to get CC's pitch count up and get him out of the game as early as possible and may go with quentin who works the count pretty well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 I think it is good that Uribe is the starting 2B. he's got perfect defense and an amazingly strong arm. i think having a latin veteran/role model in the gold glove .300 hitting Orlando Cabrera is a good thing as well. It has the potential to spark more effort. Fields is great on offense but not the best on defense. sure he can improve but with Chicago's murky starting rotation, I don't think having Josh Fields at the hot corner is a good thing. Chicago would give up a ton of runs against teams like the Indians and Tigers. It could add up to 20 or more runs on the year due to Field's weaknesses defending the 3B. Fields will be perfect next year. By then, Danks should have solidfied himself and the rotation will be improved. Then the White Sox can afford letting a good defender at third go for a marginal defender in Josh Fields. the CF position is what it is. Nick Swisher will be/is a fan favorite and will hit a LOT of homeruns at the Cell. I like our CF situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHITESOXRANDY Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 Crede and Masset on the roster over Wassermann and Fields. Hall is a joke for a backup cathcer. Ramirez the starting CF. Anderson on the bench. Crede,Masset and Hall would be waived by any organization trying to win it all this year as Kenny stated his goal was. The Sox will clearly lose more games because of these 3 guys being on the team. And, Ramirez should be the starting SS at Charlotte. His defense in CF along with Dye's in RF will really hurt the Sox. Dye should be the LFer. Oh well, we survived last year as the 4th place finisher with 72 wins while the flubs won their division. It looks like it'll be a two-peat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 :yawn: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaseballNick Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 QUOTE(ChiSox_Sonix @ Mar 31, 2008 -> 09:29 AM) :yawn: Yeah, wake me up when he wins a World Series. What an awful GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 QUOTE(BaseballNick @ Mar 31, 2008 -> 09:49 AM) Yeah, wake me up when he wins a World Series. What an awful GM. Brian Sabean was 6 outs away from putting together a team that won a World Series. They were managed by Dusty Baker. Do you really need a good GM and/or manager to win a World Series? No, you need a good team and a hell of a lot of luck. Even Sabean put together a good team; most GMs in the game today can put together a good team at some point in their tenure if they are given enough spending power to do so. It's the maintenance of success that separates mediocre GMs from good GMs from great GMs; right now, it appears as though KW falls into the former right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwolf68 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Mar 31, 2008 -> 02:44 PM) It's the maintenance of success that separates mediocre GMs from good GMs from great GMs; right now, it appears as though KW falls into the former right now. Outstanding point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 Garland sure made KW look bad today; we'll see if our guy can prove his worth as well. I know ... one game doesn't mean squat, but ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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