Princess Dye Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 To me, all signs point to yes. 1) Richar's MLB on base pct has been higher than Uribe's was in both 2006 and 07. As soon as Richar's healthy, that spot is his. Only way that's not true is if Alexei is Soriano right out of the gate or something. 2) He's absolutely the kind of guy who could have another strong month at the plate, be dealt, and the fans wouldnt miss him at all. Would blame the org at all. Reason being, of course, that we've seen this before from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 QUOTE(Princess Dye @ Mar 26, 2008 -> 12:21 PM) To me, all signs point to yes. 1) Richar's MLB on base pct has been higher than Uribe's was in both 2006 and 07. As soon as Richar's healthy, that spot is his. Only way that's not true is if Alexei is Soriano right out of the gate or something. 2) He's absolutely the kind of guy who could have another strong month at the plate, be dealt, and the fans wouldnt miss him at all. Would blame the org at all. Reason being, of course, that we've seen this before from him. Why? They put him on waivers and someone bit. What more did they want? Apparently someone to eat more of the contract? You don't showcase a guy that's played 4 full seasons. You showcase prospects that haven't gotten an extended look, or who are blocked because of a veteran. I think they're starting him because they're unsure of Ramirez's defense at 2b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 (edited) Trades rarely happen during the first few months of the season. Edited March 26, 2008 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 QUOTE(fathom @ Mar 26, 2008 -> 12:45 PM) Trades rarely happen during the first few months of the season. But they do happen near the end of Spring Training semi-regularly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 I'm just wondering what type of firesale will happen this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 (edited) I wish it was true, but we all know Uribe is our starting second basemen for the long hall. Only chance he's gone is if we're out of it by July and he's batting a very un-Uribe like average or sports an increased OBP. Edited March 26, 2008 by TitoMB345 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ Mar 26, 2008 -> 12:09 PM) I wish it was true, but we all know Uribe is our starting second basemen for the long hall. Only chance he's gone is if we're out of it by July and he's batting a very un-Uribe like average or sports an increased OBP. There are a few days left for something to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 QUOTE(RME JICO @ Mar 26, 2008 -> 11:52 AM) I'm just wondering what type of firesale will happen this year? Past their prime veterans for A level prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted March 26, 2008 Author Share Posted March 26, 2008 QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ Mar 26, 2008 -> 01:09 PM) I wish it was true, but we all know Uribe is our starting second basemen for the long hall. Only chance he's gone is if we're out of it by July and he's batting a very un-Uribe like average or sports an increased OBP. Richar is younger, under contract for awhile, and has already had a higher OBP than either of Uribe's last two years. Why are we to believe he wont take the starting 2b job when he's back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 QUOTE(Princess Dye @ Mar 26, 2008 -> 03:01 PM) Richar is younger, under contract for awhile, and has already had a higher OBP than either of Uribe's last two years. Why are we to believe he wont take the starting 2b job when he's back? Because it's Ozzie and Kenny we're talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted March 26, 2008 Author Share Posted March 26, 2008 (edited) QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ Mar 26, 2008 -> 02:12 PM) Because it's Ozzie and Kenny we're talking about. I suppose I walked right into that one. But really I dont at all see Uribe being a personal favorite of either. Richar will get every opportunity when healthy. Unless Uribe's unbelievable coming out, and even then Richar will get a chance eventually unless we're winning. Edited March 26, 2008 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 The only reason that Uribe is the starting 2B is because the org. dosen't want to rush Ramirez by throwing him into a starting job right out of the gate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 (edited) QUOTE(Princess Dye @ Mar 26, 2008 -> 03:15 PM) I suppose I walked right into that one. But really I dont at all see Uribe being a personal favorite of either. Richar will get every opportunity when healthy. Unless Uribe's unbelievable coming out, and even then Richar will get a chance eventually unless we're winning. I want to believe that, but I just can't. I firmly believe Ozzie is one of the most stubborn managers in all of baseball right now. This is the same guy who used Mackowiak in CF, that played Gonzalez, that played Widger way too long, that played Cintron out of position during 2006, that caused a mess of a situation with the bean ball, and all those other things with mismanaging the bullpen last year and the year before. I just don't see anything that says Richar will get his spot if he gets healthy or Uribe continues his regular-seson suckfest. Please, Ozzie, prove me wrong. Edited March 26, 2008 by TitoMB345 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted March 26, 2008 Author Share Posted March 26, 2008 QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ Mar 26, 2008 -> 02:27 PM) I just don't see anything that says Richar will get his spot if he gets healthy or Uribe continues his regular-seson suckfest. So if Richar were a-ok this spring, in all ways, you dont think he wouldve been front-runner? I'm as excited about Alexei as anyone, but if he hasnt played a lot of 2b in Cuba, there's no way he can be rushed into a MLB starting job. I mean, there are real and obvious reasons why Uribe is starter...by default. It's not some conspiracy to get him on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 (edited) QUOTE(Princess Dye @ Mar 26, 2008 -> 03:31 PM) So if Richar were a-ok this spring, in all ways, you dont think he wouldve been front-runner? No, I think Richar would have been the front-runner. I'm just saying once Ozzie gets in a certain mind-state, he doesn't change it. If hes going to go with Uribe, he's going to stick with Uribe. Just like he stuck with Mack in CF, Widger at C, etc. etc. etc. Edited March 26, 2008 by TitoMB345 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted March 26, 2008 Author Share Posted March 26, 2008 QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ Mar 26, 2008 -> 02:35 PM) No, I think Richar would have been the front-runner. I'm just saying once Ozzie gets in a certain mind-state, he doesn't change it. If hes going to go with Uribe, he's going to stick with Uribe. Just like he stuck with Mack in CF, Widger at C, etc. etc. etc. Gotcha. You have some history to back you up on that, no doubt. I think one thing that unites us as humans, however, is the ability to tire of Juan Uribe at bats. And Ozzie is only human. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 QUOTE(Princess Dye @ Mar 26, 2008 -> 03:46 PM) Gotcha. You have some history to back you up on that, no doubt. I think one thing that unites us as humans, however, is the ability to tire of Juan Uribe at bats. And Ozzie is only human. So true.. he is one of the worst hitters I've seen in my few years watching baseball. Although, wasn't Ozzie also one of the worst? I remember reading a list somewhere that had him in the lower 25 of hitters all-time (along with Uribe). Maybe Ozzie feels for him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ Mar 26, 2008 -> 02:48 PM) So true.. he is one of the worst hitters I've seen in my few years watching baseball. Although, wasn't Ozzie also one of the worst? I remember reading a list somewhere that had him in the lower 25 of hitters all-time (along with Uribe). Maybe Ozzie feels for him... Eh, they had about the same avg and OBP. Uribe had a lot more power. Interesting to say though, in 7 seasons juan has about 100 more strikeouts than ozzie did in his 16 year career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 QUOTE(max power @ Mar 26, 2008 -> 03:54 PM) Eh, they had about the same avg and OBP. Uribe had a lot more power. Interesting to say though, in 7 seasons juan has about 100 more strikeouts than ozzie did in his 16 year career. Wow, keep up the good work Juan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted March 26, 2008 Author Share Posted March 26, 2008 (edited) QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ Mar 26, 2008 -> 02:48 PM) So true.. he is one of the worst hitters I've seen in my few years watching baseball. Although, wasn't Ozzie also one of the worst? I remember reading a list somewhere that had him in the lower 25 of hitters all-time (along with Uribe). Maybe Ozzie feels for him... The thing is, fans are known for getting emotional about the underachieving guy that's been around for awhile, and hating him a little extra for that. And wanting him out sooner in favor of lesser options. I mean, someone else suggested Marcus Giles, and I'll personally take the pop in Uribe's bat over that. He underachieved when we won the title, which leads me to think that we're going to win or not win this year as a result of something having little to do with Uribe in particular. Edited March 26, 2008 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 QUOTE(Princess Dye @ Mar 26, 2008 -> 04:02 PM) The thing is, fans are known for getting emotional about the underachieving guy that's been around for awhile, and hating him a little extra for that. And wanting him out sooner in favor of lesser options. I mean, someone else suggested Marcus Giles, and I'll personally take the pop in Uribe's bat over that. He underachieved when we won the title, which leads me to think that we're going to win or not win this year as a result of something having little to do with Uribe in particular. That could very well be true. But I'd still rather play the odds and go with the best possible team on paper, and then make adjustments from there. And, in my mind, going with an unproven player (Ramirez, Richar) over someone like Uribe who has consistently done bad is the better choice. Obviously, some here disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 I don't think too many people think juan should get more time over richar, he is just injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 QUOTE(JoeCoolMan24 @ Mar 26, 2008 -> 02:18 PM) The only reason that Uribe is the starting 2B is because the org. dosen't want to rush Ramirez by throwing him into a starting job right out of the gate. I'll say it. Uribe is starting because he s Ozzie's guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 QUOTE(JoeCoolMan24 @ Mar 26, 2008 -> 02:18 PM) The only reason that Uribe is the starting 2B is because the org. dosen't want to rush Ramirez by throwing him into a starting job right out of the gate. I think next season A-ram will be starting SS and Richar at 2B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 27, 2008 -> 03:18 PM) I think next season A-ram will be starting SS and Richar at 2B I think we're all hoping that. Between Fields, ARam, Richar, Quentin, Anderson, Owens, and Swisher...we could have about 7-8 lineup spots covered by guys who are either making the minimum or who are signed to really cheap contracts because they're still young. Say what you will about the Sox having a barren system...that's an awful lot of payroll flexibility if they all turn out.l Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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