RockRaines Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Mar 28, 2008 -> 05:34 PM) I can't believe I actually agree with Rock Raines. I feel like I should delete that post then, it may throw off the entire balance of Soxtalk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 (edited) QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 28, 2008 -> 05:33 PM) Not true at all. Rain delays, a starter having a bad day, getting hit by a line drive. There are TONS of reasons that you may need a long man. Sometimes you want to burn a game so you can be at full strength next game. When you have relievers with a history of injuries, and your pen is full of specialists, you need someone to flat out eat innings. Is Masset the guy? No, but we need someone to do it. oh, don't get me wrong, i guess i should've been more clear. i'm not against having a long-man in the pen, period, i just don't want it to be masset. because if you're relying on masset to be that long-man/spot starter, then the team is done already. i'd personally rather have broadway in that role, he looked pretty sharp in that last royals series last year it's just that, if we're relying on a long-man this year because one of the 5 guys sucks and can't do the job, or if one of them gets injured, our season is over, whether it's masset or not, i just don't want the long-man to be masset is it finalized that it's simple down to macdougal/masset/wasserman for the final spot, or just wass vs. masset? i'd rather put massett on waivers, bring up broadway and keep wasserman & macD in the pen, assuming macD is already set in stone i just don't like the idea of masset being our longman, he's brutal Edited March 28, 2008 by joesaiditstrue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 QUOTE(joesaiditstrue @ Mar 28, 2008 -> 03:44 PM) oh, don't get me wrong, i guess i should've been more clear. i'm not against having a long-man in the pen, period, i just don't want it to be masset. because if you're relying on masset to be that long-man/spot starter, then the team is done already. i'd personally rather have broadway in that role, he looked pretty sharp in that last royals series last year is it finalized that it's simple down to macdougal/masset/wasserman for the final spot, or just wass vs. masset? i'd rather put massett on waivers, bring up broadway and keep wasserman & macD in the pen, assuming macD is already set in stone i just don't like the idea of masset being our longman, he's brutal The only way to keep both Wasserman and Macdougal in the pen and also bring up Broadway would be to go with an 8 man bullpen and send down Quentin, Anderson, Ramirez, or Hall. And while we may not like Hall, I don't think sticking Anderson or Konerko or someone like that behind the plate when AJ needs a day off will be that effective. It's a pitching pick 2 of Masset, MMac, Wasserman, Broadway, Sisco, Haeger, Ohka, and anyone else you want to name. There are 2 slots available amongst those guys. The other 5 are filled by Jenks, Logan, Thornton, Dotel, and Linebrink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Philips Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 The question is either Wasserman or Masset.. So far KW and Ozzie haven't done what I expected.. Hall throws to second like he's throwing popups to a kid, fields and Anderson are sent down. Nothing makes less sense than Masset but he can be a long reliever and a starter. A pitcher who can go a lot of innings and give up a lot of runs. This is as opposed to a reliever like Wasserman who can actually retire batters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 QUOTE(forrestg @ Mar 28, 2008 -> 05:16 PM) The question is either Wasserman or Masset.. So far KW and Ozzie haven't done what I expected.. Hall throws to second like he's throwing popups to a kid, fields and Anderson are sent down. Nothing makes less sense than Masset but he can be a long reliever and a starter. A pitcher who can go a lot of innings and give up a lot of runs. This is as opposed to a reliever like Wasserman who can actually retire batters. Anderson wasn't sent down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Philips Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 (edited) QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 28, 2008 -> 07:23 PM) Anderson wasn't sent down. I'm sorry, Balta .. I missed that. I assumed when farmer said that quentin got the last roster spot that Anderson was out........ Sorry. Edited March 29, 2008 by forrestg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Philips Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 QUOTE(forrestg @ Mar 28, 2008 -> 07:50 PM) I'm sorry, Balta .. I missed that. I assumed when farmer said that quentin got the last roster spot that Anderson was out........ Sorry. outfield because of Owens on the dl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 QUOTE(forrestg @ Mar 28, 2008 -> 08:13 PM) outfield because of Owens on the dl I hope his train goes from DL to charlotte. Quentin is going to mash and never go back down, and hopefully BA continues to play like a 4.5 tool ballplayer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 (edited) Logan pitched 2 perfect innings tonight . Might be a sign that a few of our 1 inning specialists might have to go longer without Masset. Edited March 29, 2008 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 29, 2008 Author Share Posted March 29, 2008 MacDougal roughed up again. Not a great spring for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 29, 2008 -> 10:03 AM) MacDougal roughed up again. Not a great spring for him. Actually he's had a pretty good spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 I think Wassermann is going to get it. Both are done pitching before opening day, so it just tells me they are trying to trade Masset. Thornton and MacDougal will be able to pitch a couple innings at a time. I also think Wassermann can go a couple innings when needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 I can see Masset being given the opportunity to lose the job at the major league level, which he very well might do, at which point Wasserman gets called up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 29, 2008 -> 09:48 AM) Actually he's had a pretty good spring. yes, he and gavin floyd. If you believe the s*** coming out of Ozzie and Kenny. Which raises a good question: who is in line to take Floyd's place in May when ozzie finally says enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Mar 29, 2008 -> 12:29 PM) yes, he and gavin floyd. If you believe the s*** coming out of Ozzie and Kenny. Which raises a good question: who is in line to take Floyd's place in May when ozzie finally says enough? Mark my words, Gavin Floyd will have a better season than John Danks. 12 wins, 4.50 ERA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 QUOTE(flavum @ Mar 29, 2008 -> 10:35 AM) Mark my words, Gavin Floyd will have a better season than John Danks. 12 wins, 4.50 ERA Floyd will be out of the rotation before June 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxpranos Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 QUOTE(knightni @ Mar 28, 2008 -> 09:29 AM) Dump MacDougal, keep both. No way you keep Masset over Mcdougal. Mcdougal has a chance of turning it around , plus his stuff is nasty when he's on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 29, 2008 Author Share Posted March 29, 2008 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 29, 2008 -> 11:48 AM) Actually he's had a pretty good spring. By what measure? He's got a 6.52 ERA, and a 1.76 WHIP. Those are nearly identical to Masset's 7.06 ERA, 1.80 WHIP. Wassermann is at a 3.09 ERA and 0.77 WHIP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 29, 2008 -> 03:10 PM) By what measure? He's got a 6.52 ERA, and a 1.76 WHIP. Those are nearly identical to Masset's 7.06 ERA, 1.80 WHIP. Wassermann is at a 3.09 ERA and 0.77 WHIP. I think it was sort of by the "our eyes" format, which saw him have an abjectly terrible start, but pick it up in the last couple weeks. Considering how hard it is to come up with "bi-weekly spring training splits" or something ridiculous like that, it's hard to make that argument, but by all accounts, his first week or two were by far his worst, and he did significantly improve in the last couple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Given the lack of depth in the pitching staff, I would keep Masset for at least the first month of the season. Maybe he surprises, but even if he stinks, he'll probably only be used in games that are out of hand. He's really the only guy in our bullpen who can do this. If we do need an extra arm after the first month of the season, and Masset isn't getting the job done, then I think we make a move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 29, 2008 -> 05:16 PM) I think it was sort of by the "our eyes" format, which saw him have an abjectly terrible start, but pick it up in the last couple weeks. Considering how hard it is to come up with "bi-weekly spring training splits" or something ridiculous like that, it's hard to make that argument, but by all accounts, his first week or two were by far his worst, and he did significantly improve in the last couple. I thought his first couple of weeks were good but his only 5 starts were god awful! I'm pretty sure they mentioned it in the Sun-times today as well how he was only good because he was facing ghosts in the batters box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...1,3881764.story Wassermann sent down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 QUOTE(flavum @ Mar 29, 2008 -> 10:19 PM) http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...1,3881764.story Wassermann sent down. See, they don't have to make sense at all. It's all about the options remaining, less about Spring results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 Absolutely absurd decision. Apparently the Sox would rather have a guy who can throw three innings terribly than one inning well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 QUOTE(knightni @ Mar 29, 2008 -> 09:21 PM) See, they don't have to make sense at all. It's all about the options remaining, less about Spring results. Masset hasnt even been solid at AAA ever. Even if he's out of options...what are we holding onto? Fault the logic of going for it this year, but if the team has decided that, they should really do it. Not go halfway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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