fathom Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 I've been disappointed in Cabrera's situational hitting so far. Ozzie has tried about 5 hit-and-runs with OC up, and he hasn't hit behind the runner once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 Why is Ozuna at 3b? Why not Uribe if Crede's taking the day off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 QUOTE (knightni @ Apr 18, 2008 -> 04:33 PM) Why is Ozuna at 3b? Why not Uribe if Crede's taking the day off? Ozuna's played a lot more 3rd base in the past couple years than Uribe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 18, 2008 -> 08:40 PM) Ozuna's played a lot more 3rd base in the past couple years than Uribe. Only because Ozzie's played him there. Uribe's a better 3b than Ozuna. That guy would have been out earlier if Uribe had been at 3b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 Juan Uribe. Let's take off the soft gloves here. While today's game would have still been a loss without Uribe's rundown gaff, it would only have been 2-0. For a solo homer happy team, that is a reasonable gap. Uribe pluggers justify him playing because of his defense. But once Uribe's defensive brainfarts start creaping into the picture, he is worthless. He is not a major league hitter. Except for a nice hot streak for his first month in a sox uniform, he has never proven to be a major league hitter. Part of being a major league baseball player is being able to hit consistently. While Juan is consistent, it is consistently bad. Pop ups, swinging for a 700 ft homer, stirking out on pitchs that he could not hit if he was swinging a door, it is embarassingly bad. Could letting Pablo and Alexei split time at 2B be that much worse? Certainly any alleged defensive deficit could be made up with actual offensive production. And while having a $5 million playing sitting on the bench may not be cost effective, think of the money the Sox would save on food if they just released Uribe today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 Im down with the release Juan today... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 QUOTE (Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Apr 19, 2008 -> 08:07 PM) Juan Uribe. Let's take off the soft gloves here. While today's game would have still been a loss without Uribe's rundown gaff, it would only have been 2-0. For a solo homer happy team, that is a reasonable gap. Uribe pluggers justify him playing because of his defense. But once Uribe's defensive brainfarts start creaping into the picture, he is worthless. He is not a major league hitter. Except for a nice hot streak for his first month in a sox uniform, he has never proven to be a major league hitter. Part of being a major league baseball player is being able to hit consistently. While Juan is consistent, it is consistently bad. Pop ups, swinging for a 700 ft homer, stirking out on pitchs that he could not hit if he was swinging a door, it is embarassingly bad. Could letting Pablo and Alexei split time at 2B be that much worse? Certainly any alleged defensive deficit could be made up with actual offensive production. And while having a $5 million playing sitting on the bench may not be cost effective, think of the money the Sox would save on food if they just released Uribe today. It wasn't Uribe's gaffe. Its on Cabrera. Uribe was throwing the ball to Crede at 2nd, Cabera, who already blew it by not running the guy back to first, cut the ball off and missed the tag. He screwed it up twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 Iam so tired of hearing from pitchers about how they didnt have their "stuff" on a night they get rocked.It is the biggest crutch they use to distance themselves from fault.Dont blame me blame my "stuff" for not showing up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 20, 2008 -> 07:00 AM) It wasn't Uribe's gaffe. Its on Cabrera. Uribe was throwing the ball to Crede at 2nd, Cabera, who already blew it by not running the guy back to first, cut the ball off and missed the tag. He screwed it up twice. You don't have much objectivity on this when you are the biggest Uribe apologist here. Even Hawk, with his homer-tinted glasses, said Uribe ran him back too far to give Cabrera a chance to make the tag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 20, 2008 -> 07:00 AM) It wasn't Uribe's gaffe. Its on Cabrera. Uribe was throwing the ball to Crede at 2nd, Cabera, who already blew it by not running the guy back to first, cut the ball off and missed the tag. He screwed it up twice. They both f***ed this up. Cabrera didnt run the batter back far enough before the first throw, and Uribe ran him too far after the exchange. You always run the batter back to the back he previously occupied, not towards the base he is trying to steal. The blame is 50% for both of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Apr 20, 2008 -> 09:37 AM) They both f***ed this up. Cabrera didnt run the batter back far enough before the first throw, and Uribe ran him too far after the exchange. You always run the batter back to the back he previously occupied, not towards the base he is trying to steal. The blame is 50% for both of them. LMAO. So you're saying Cabrera f***ed up, Uribe shouldn't even have been running him back to second, and then blame Uribe who was throwing the ball to second with Crede there to tag the runner out, but Cabrera intercepted the ball. Why do I have the feeling if Uribe went 4-4 with 4 homers, you would find a few things wrong with them. Edited April 20, 2008 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Ozzie blew this game badly. Abreu is just so much more dangerous against righties, and lefties get a great look at Dotel's miserable stuff. Dotel = waste of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Juan Uribe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 20, 2008 -> 12:21 PM) LMAO. So you're saying Cabrera f***ed up, Uribe shouldn't even have been running him back to second, and then blame Uribe who was throwing the ball to second with Crede there to tag the runner out, but Cabrera intercepted the ball. Why do I have the feeling if Uribe went 4-4 with 4 homers, you would find a few things wrong with them. I think you let the fact that you supposedly went to a dinner with the man cloud your judgement. If anyone else on this team did the things that he does you would have him roasted. Yet for personal reasons this bad player is gold. Edited April 23, 2008 by southsideirish71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 what i've learned after this game boone logan is spotty, he's either really good or really bad and you can't really tell which boone you're going to get when he takes the mound, generally if he's going 1-0, then 2-0, you have bad-boone dotel needs more velocity on his pitches when he's facing lefties, also his command seems to suffer when facing lefties. he's being paid too much to be a specialist, he needs to do the f***ing job thornton: see boone, except easier to hit and less command of the strike zone, falls behind hitters far too often ocab hasn't really done well in the 2-hole this year, and swisher hasn't been scoring a lot of runs, mainly due to thome & konerko's slumps, however today swisher is failing to get on base and thome/konk are actually hitting/getting on base, we need the whole 1 through 4 to click at the same time to make this offense respectable, otherwise it'll just be another average power-hitting lineup our bullpen is looking like 2007, started off in April looking really nice, exciting a lot of people, then started to suck complete monkey ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Former KC Royals pitchers don't do too well on the South Side for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 23, 2008 -> 03:47 AM) Former KC Royals pitchers don't do too well on the South Side for some reason. Probably because they aren't very good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Then why do we keep picking them up? I thought Dotel might break the hex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Apr 22, 2008 -> 09:40 PM) what i've learned after this game boone logan is spotty, he's either really good or really bad and you can't really tell which boone you're going to get when he takes the mound, generally if he's going 1-0, then 2-0, you have bad-boone dotel needs more velocity on his pitches when he's facing lefties, also his command seems to suffer when facing lefties. he's being paid too much to be a specialist, he needs to do the f***ing job thornton: see boone, except easier to hit and less command of the strike zone, falls behind hitters far too often ocab hasn't really done well in the 2-hole this year, and swisher hasn't been scoring a lot of runs, mainly due to thome & konerko's slumps, however today swisher is failing to get on base and thome/konk are actually hitting/getting on base, we need the whole 1 through 4 to click at the same time to make this offense respectable, otherwise it'll just be another average power-hitting lineup our bullpen is looking like 2007, started off in April looking really nice, exciting a lot of people, then started to suck complete monkey ass. Really? You learned that from this game? He faced 1 hitter and got him to ground weakly to short. Logan is pretty simple, if he's getting the called strike on the outer half to lefties he's going to be effective, if not he's going to fall behind and start putting guys on base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Whatever happened to that Orlando Cabrera guy the Sox traded for? You remember--the smart situational hitter with great bat handling skills with the gold glove? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Apr 22, 2008 -> 10:37 PM) I think you let the fact that you supposedly went to a dinner with the man cloud your judgement. If anyone else on this team did the things that he does you would have him roasted. Yet for personal reasons this bad player is gold. Well, I'm not sure who DA went to dinner with or whatever that story is, but I have to continue to side with him on this one. At some point one would think Sox fans would take Juan for what he is and live with it. And yet, people continue to expect him to wake up one day and become something that he hasn't been. Juan should not have swung at the breaking ball Joba threw him after Joe's walk, but let's not forget he did have the 2 RBI double earlier in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 22, 2008 -> 10:39 PM) Well, I'm not sure who DA went to dinner with or whatever that story is, but I have to continue to side with him on this one. At some point one would think Sox fans would take Juan for what he is and live with it. And yet, people continue to expect him to wake up one day and become something that he hasn't been. Juan should not have swung at the breaking ball Joba threw him after Joe's walk, but let's not forget he did have the 2 RBI double earlier in the game. Juan is a rotten ball player. We thought he was gone when Cabrera was picked up. We dont want to live with it. We want him gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Apr 22, 2008 -> 10:46 PM) Juan is a rotten ball player. We thought he was gone when Cabrera was picked up. We dont want to live with it. We want him gone. Repeating this over and over and over every time we lose a game does not change this. Getting angry everytime he swings at a pitch he shouldn't have doesn't make him any better. It's a broken record. What is the definition of insanity or whatever it is? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 22, 2008 -> 11:53 PM) Repeating this over and over and over every time we lose a game does not change this. Getting angry everytime he swings at a pitch he shouldn't have doesn't make him any better. It's a broken record. What is the definition of insanity or whatever it is? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result? Are we in the negative catch all thread. Yes we are. The purpose of this thread is for posters to rant and rave. Its a landing place for people to do exactly what is happening. Yet you feel the need to play amateur shrink. Its simple. I haven't liked Juan Uribe for a long long time. You coming in here is not going to change that. If that hurts your eyes, then close them and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Apr 22, 2008 -> 11:00 PM) Are we in the negative catch all thread. Yes we are. The purpose of this thread is for posters to rant and rave. Its a landing place for people to do exactly what is happening. Yet you feel the need to play amateur shrink. Its simple. I haven't liked Juan Uribe for a long long time. You coming in here is not going to change that. If that hurts your eyes, then close them and move on. Yeah, my bad, I guess that is what this thread is for, after all. Go on with your ranting and raving... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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