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Imo, the most desperate, unstatesmanlike comment ever uttered by a presidential or vice-presidential candidate was Bush I's swipe that "My dog Millie knows more about foreign policy than those two bozos," which he slung at Clinton and Gore in the last days of the 1992 campaign. I have a sad, sinking feeling that this bar will be lowered before this one is over.

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QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 10:10 AM)
Imo, the most desperate, unstatesmanlike comment ever uttered by a presidential or vice-presidential candidate was Bush I's swipe that "My dog Millie knows more about foreign policy than those two bozos," which he slung at Clinton and Gore in the last days of the 1992 campaign. I have a sad, sinking feeling that this bar will be lowered before this one is over.

You don't think the McCain ad that claims Obama wants to teach sex ed to kindergarten students was worse?

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QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 10:12 AM)
You don't think the McCain ad that claims Obama wants to teach sex ed to kindergarten students was worse?

Maybe, but I was talking direct quotes from the candidates themselves, not merely messages spun by underlings or in ads.

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QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 11:16 AM)
Maybe, but I was talking direct quotes from the candidates themselves, not merely messages spun by underlings or in ads.

McCain was quoted as saying that he approved of that message.

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QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 11:18 AM)
McCain was quoted as saying that he approved of that message.

 

I get that, and I'm not saying his tagline statement of approval was ok, but to me saying that himself would have unquestionably have been worse. To me, coming out and directly calling your opponents "Bozos" and unfavorably comparing their intelligence to a dog's still takes the booby prize, for now. As I said though, examples like yours make me think that it wont for much longer.

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QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 10:29 AM)
I get that, and I'm not saying his tagline statement of approval was ok, but to me saying that himself would have unquestionably have been worse. To me, coming out and directly calling your opponents "Bozos" and unfavorably comparing their intelligence to a dog's still takes the booby prize

What are your thoughts of McCain and Palin calling Obama unpatriotic and a terrorist sympathizer? Sounds a lot worse than bozo.

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QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 09:13 AM)
Scarier, to me, is the crowd reaction. When you are villifying the other side as a terrorist socialist outsider who doesn't believe in the U.S., is it a surprise the reaction to him will get more violent?

This is getting scary:

Palin's routine attacks on the media have begun to spill into ugliness. In Clearwater, arriving reporters were greeted with shouts and taunts by the crowd of about 3,000. Palin then went on to blame Katie Couric's questions for her "less-than-successful interview with kinda mainstream media." At that, Palin supporters turned on reporters in the press area, waving thunder sticks and shouting abuse. Others hurled obscenities at a camera crew. One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, "Sit down, boy."
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QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 11:33 AM)
What are your thoughts of McCain and Palin calling Obama unpatriotic and a terrorist sympathizer? Sounds a lot worse than bozo.

 

I think the attacks are desperate and sad. But again, unless I've missed it, even though they have attacked Obama's patriotism and acccused him of sympathing and associating with terrorists (Ayers), I don't think they have come out and said he is quote "unpatriotic" and a "terrorist sympathizer" in those exact words. They have done so much more indirectly and subtlely. Their underlying message, I agree, hits lower than merely calling someone stupid, but to me, Bush I resorting to playground style name-calling behind the presidential seal was a low point in American politics.

 

I think the difference here is largely a technical one, and that you, Big Swert, and I are more in agreement on this than oppossed.

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QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 11:45 AM)
This is getting scary:

 

That is completely unacceptable, if true. However, I am skeptical as the media has decided on a narrative and they are more than willing to exaggerate or completely fabricate stories to make sure that narrative seem legit.

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QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 10:45 AM)
This is getting scary:

I think the scarier actions are the constant threats of legal actions by the Obama camp everytime someone says or does something they don't like. Don't like a radio interview? Tell them you are going to try and have their license revoked. Don't like the guest choices at a non-profit protest? Sick the IRS on them to remove their tax exempt status. That is way more scarier. Who would have thought all the brownshirts would have dems wearing them.

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QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 11:14 AM)
I think the scarier actions are the constant threats of legal actions by the Obama camp everytime someone says or does something they don't like. Don't like a radio interview? Tell them you are going to try and have their license revoked. Don't like the guest choices at a non-profit protest? Sick the IRS on them to remove their tax exempt status. That is way more scarier. Who would have thought all the brownshirts would have dems wearing them.

 

the brown shirts were socialists

 

:ph34r:

 

these socialistic schemes often go hand in hand with book burning, limiting speech, and authoritarian measures.

 

*waits for firestorm of Obama supporters to overload thread* :lol:

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QUOTE (Soxy @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 11:23 AM)
I'm sure this stat/polling site has been posted. But I thought it was cool. And the guy running it (Nate Silver) might be familiar to those of you who follow baseball stat stuff.

Yeah, the Trib is going to be running a big story on him soon. Fascinating stuff.

 

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QUOTE (Soxy @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 06:23 PM)
I'm sure this stat/polling site has been posted. But I thought it was cool. And the guy running it (Nate Silver) might be familiar to those of you who follow baseball stat stuff.

 

fivethirtyeight is incredibly informative.

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QUOTE (Cknolls @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 01:53 PM)
Is this one as good as the VA. one yesterday that had something like a plus 12-13 Dem advantage?

I tend to trust SurveyUSA.

My only concern is they have polls in other states that are off by as large as 10 points compated to other reputable polls. SUSA's VA poll is in the vacinity of other VA polls and this PA poll is a little larger than most, but most have Obama at least +6.

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Ok, party politics aside, at this point in the race with less than 28 days to go, what is the poll gap marker that tells you a candidate cant win that state?

 

That's pretty poorly worded, so let me elaborate. If McCain is +5 in a state, is that a toss up? An uphill battle? Locked down for McCain? What if it's +3 or +10?

 

We have said for a while to wait until we are closer to the election to see what states will really do on Nov 4th. Well, we are int he crunch.

 

I set the number as +6 for a "lock" and +3 to +5 a uphill battle. Less than +3 is toss up.

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