Heads22 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 06:03 PM) well, I for one am a believer in the fact that this election is already over, and that Obama already has the presidency locked up (unless very incriminating video comes out). So, congrats Dems. I honestly feel that Hilldog would have been a surer bet for a democrat in office. However, I would have had a REALLY tough time voting for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted June 4, 2008 Author Share Posted June 4, 2008 Might I suggest 2 other threads? One for VP debates (make this a single thread, not divided) and one for tracking polls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 05:07 PM) I honestly feel that Hilldog would have been a surer bet for a democrat in office. However, I would have had a REALLY tough time voting for her. And you know what? I feel the exact opposite. I feel like the Republicans would just drag out all the old garbage that never went anywhere, Whitewater, Paula Jones, Vince Foster, and so on...and whether or not there is any merit to them, between the media going off on it, and the fact that I think an awful lot of people are just sick of hearing about this stuff, it would really hurt her in the fall. But thankfully, we'll never have to know, and the last time the Dems voted based on some arbitrary measure of electability, it didn't work that well anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted June 4, 2008 Author Share Posted June 4, 2008 (edited) McCain officially begins the general election with a banner that says "A Leader We Can Believe In" hmmmm.... Is that REALLY the best he can come up with?? Edited June 4, 2008 by Athomeboy_2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 05:39 PM) McCain officially begins the general election with a banner that says "A Leader We Can Believe In" hmmmm.... Is that REALLY the best he can come up with?? Well, at least it's not lifted from an anti-depressant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted June 4, 2008 Author Share Posted June 4, 2008 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 06:46 PM) Well, at least it's not lifted from an anti-depressant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 07:39 PM) Is that REALLY the best he can come up with?? durrr change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 06:53 PM) durrr change If you just watched McCain's speech and think he has a chance then pass me what you're smoking. Obama will mop him up in the debates. McCain's voting record is 95% in agreement with George Bush. That's not going to fly with Americans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 08:12 PM) If you just watched McCain's speech and think he has a chance then pass me what you're smoking. Obama will mop him up in the debates. McCain's voting record is 95% in agreement with George Bush. That's not going to fly with Americans. Do you have a link for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted June 4, 2008 Author Share Posted June 4, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 07:15 PM) Do you have a link for that? http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/28/mccain...e-time-in-2008/ According to a CQ analysis of Senate votes on issues President Bush expressed “an explicit, stated opinion,” Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) voted with President Bush 100 percent of the time in 2008 and 95 percent of the time in 2007. And that was only the times he was ACTUALLY there to vote. He's missed more votes in the last two years than any person in the senate. Edited June 4, 2008 by Athomeboy_2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 07:15 PM) Do you have a link for that? His speech? It was on live TV just a few moments ago. His one-liners were painful to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 05:17 PM) http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/28/mccain...e-time-in-2008/ And that was only the times he was ACTUALLY there to vote. He's missed more votes in the last two years than any person in the senate. Let's just add, CQ= Congressional Quarterly, which sits behind a subscription wall. Here's the data table on McCain's votes for and against Bush for the last 8 years, also...since as I keep saying, it's just folly to plot up the votes of people who are off campaigning for a higher position, because they only show up for the strongly contested ones. Year Support Oppose 2008 (through May 15, 2008) 100% 0% 2007 95% 5% 2006 89% 11% 2005 77% 23% 2004 92% 8% 2003 91% 9% 2002 90% 10% 2001 91% 9% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted June 4, 2008 Author Share Posted June 4, 2008 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 07:22 PM) Let's just add, CQ= Congressional Quarterly, which sits behind a subscription wall. Here's the data table on McCain's votes for and against Bush for the last 8 years, also...since as I keep saying, it's just folly to plot up the votes of people who are off campaigning for a higher position, because they only show up for the strongly contested ones. Year Support Oppose 2008 (through May 15, 2008) 100% 0% 2007 95% 5% 2006 89% 11% 2005 77% 23% 2004 92% 8% 2003 91% 9% 2002 90% 10% 2001 91% 9% those numbers sting. well... not me, but McCain who is DESPERATELY trying to distance himself from Bush while letting Bush run fund raisers for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 08:18 PM) His speech? It was on live TV just a few moments ago. His one-liners were painful to watch. No, the link to the stat. It helped me out with an argument on another board (I was saying that the "most liberal voting record in the Senate" was a useless stat). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 08:12 PM) If you just watched McCain's speech and think he has a chance then pass me what you're smoking. Obama will mop him up in the debates. McCain's voting record is 95% in agreement with George Bush. That's not going to fly with Americans. The speech was fine. But thanks for your input Obamatron3000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 06:33 PM) The speech was fine. But thanks for your input Obamatron3000. I'm reading that there were actually people on Fox News discussing reasons for why his speech was so bad tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 08:49 PM) I'm reading that there were actually people on Fox News discussing reasons for why his speech was so bad tonight. Do not question McCain-o-tron3000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 08:56 PM) Do not question McCain-o-tron3000. I don't think mr. genius likes McCain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 07:49 PM) I'm reading that there were actually people on Fox News discussing reasons for why his speech was so bad tonight. Well, Barack should certainly win now shouldn't he. I'll inform the people in Washington so the election can be properly canceled and Obama given his rightful throne. Edited June 4, 2008 by mr_genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted June 4, 2008 Author Share Posted June 4, 2008 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 08:56 PM) Do not question McCain-o-tron3000. can I change my user name? jk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 Dang. What an electric crowd in St Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 i hate obama speeches... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 QUOTE (Reddy @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 09:41 PM) i hate obama speeches... They are just like Edwards speeches except with a quasi-MLK inflection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 09:45 PM) They are just like Edwards speeches except with a quasi-MLK inflection. and a lot less substance. and a lot more preaching. and dumb chants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 09:45 PM) They are just like Edwards speeches except with a quasi-MLK inflection. the preacher cadence he uses is pretty bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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