BigSqwert Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 McCain running out of battleground states where he has an edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clyons Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Imo, the most desperate, unstatesmanlike comment ever uttered by a presidential or vice-presidential candidate was Bush I's swipe that "My dog Millie knows more about foreign policy than those two bozos," which he slung at Clinton and Gore in the last days of the 1992 campaign. I have a sad, sinking feeling that this bar will be lowered before this one is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 10:10 AM) Imo, the most desperate, unstatesmanlike comment ever uttered by a presidential or vice-presidential candidate was Bush I's swipe that "My dog Millie knows more about foreign policy than those two bozos," which he slung at Clinton and Gore in the last days of the 1992 campaign. I have a sad, sinking feeling that this bar will be lowered before this one is over. You don't think the McCain ad that claims Obama wants to teach sex ed to kindergarten students was worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clyons Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 10:12 AM) You don't think the McCain ad that claims Obama wants to teach sex ed to kindergarten students was worse? Maybe, but I was talking direct quotes from the candidates themselves, not merely messages spun by underlings or in ads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 11:16 AM) Maybe, but I was talking direct quotes from the candidates themselves, not merely messages spun by underlings or in ads. McCain was quoted as saying that he approved of that message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted October 7, 2008 Author Share Posted October 7, 2008 New PA Poll- Obama +15.... Obama 55, McCain 40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clyons Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 11:18 AM) McCain was quoted as saying that he approved of that message. I get that, and I'm not saying his tagline statement of approval was ok, but to me saying that himself would have unquestionably have been worse. To me, coming out and directly calling your opponents "Bozos" and unfavorably comparing their intelligence to a dog's still takes the booby prize, for now. As I said though, examples like yours make me think that it wont for much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted October 7, 2008 Author Share Posted October 7, 2008 QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 10:29 AM) I get that, and I'm not saying his tagline statement of approval was ok, but to me saying that himself would have unquestionably have been worse. To me, coming out and directly calling your opponents "Bozos" and unfavorably comparing their intelligence to a dog's still takes the booby prize What are your thoughts of McCain and Palin calling Obama unpatriotic and a terrorist sympathizer? Sounds a lot worse than bozo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted October 7, 2008 Author Share Posted October 7, 2008 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 09:13 AM) Scarier, to me, is the crowd reaction. When you are villifying the other side as a terrorist socialist outsider who doesn't believe in the U.S., is it a surprise the reaction to him will get more violent? This is getting scary: Palin's routine attacks on the media have begun to spill into ugliness. In Clearwater, arriving reporters were greeted with shouts and taunts by the crowd of about 3,000. Palin then went on to blame Katie Couric's questions for her "less-than-successful interview with kinda mainstream media." At that, Palin supporters turned on reporters in the press area, waving thunder sticks and shouting abuse. Others hurled obscenities at a camera crew. One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, "Sit down, boy." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clyons Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 11:33 AM) What are your thoughts of McCain and Palin calling Obama unpatriotic and a terrorist sympathizer? Sounds a lot worse than bozo. I think the attacks are desperate and sad. But again, unless I've missed it, even though they have attacked Obama's patriotism and acccused him of sympathing and associating with terrorists (Ayers), I don't think they have come out and said he is quote "unpatriotic" and a "terrorist sympathizer" in those exact words. They have done so much more indirectly and subtlely. Their underlying message, I agree, hits lower than merely calling someone stupid, but to me, Bush I resorting to playground style name-calling behind the presidential seal was a low point in American politics. I think the difference here is largely a technical one, and that you, Big Swert, and I are more in agreement on this than oppossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 11:45 AM) This is getting scary: That is completely unacceptable, if true. However, I am skeptical as the media has decided on a narrative and they are more than willing to exaggerate or completely fabricate stories to make sure that narrative seem legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 10:45 AM) This is getting scary: I think the scarier actions are the constant threats of legal actions by the Obama camp everytime someone says or does something they don't like. Don't like a radio interview? Tell them you are going to try and have their license revoked. Don't like the guest choices at a non-profit protest? Sick the IRS on them to remove their tax exempt status. That is way more scarier. Who would have thought all the brownshirts would have dems wearing them. Edited October 7, 2008 by Alpha Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 11:14 AM) I think the scarier actions are the constant threats of legal actions by the Obama camp everytime someone says or does something they don't like. Don't like a radio interview? Tell them you are going to try and have their license revoked. Don't like the guest choices at a non-profit protest? Sick the IRS on them to remove their tax exempt status. That is way more scarier. Who would have thought all the brownshirts would have dems wearing them. the brown shirts were socialists these socialistic schemes often go hand in hand with book burning, limiting speech, and authoritarian measures. *waits for firestorm of Obama supporters to overload thread* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxy Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 I'm sure this stat/polling site has been posted. But I thought it was cool. And the guy running it (Nate Silver) might be familiar to those of you who follow baseball stat stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 QUOTE (Soxy @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 11:23 AM) I'm sure this stat/polling site has been posted. But I thought it was cool. And the guy running it (Nate Silver) might be familiar to those of you who follow baseball stat stuff. Yeah, the Trib is going to be running a big story on him soon. Fascinating stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 QUOTE (Soxy @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 06:23 PM) I'm sure this stat/polling site has been posted. But I thought it was cool. And the guy running it (Nate Silver) might be familiar to those of you who follow baseball stat stuff. fivethirtyeight is incredibly informative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 12:39 PM) fivethirtyeight is incredibly informative. it's my favorite site to check the current environment of the electoral college map Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 It's amazing how some people can just look at numbers and understand them so much better than others. He also understands polling theory so well. Guy is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cknolls Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 10:21 AM) New PA Poll- Obama +15.... Obama 55, McCain 40 Is this one as good as the VA. one yesterday that had something like a plus 12-13 Dem advantage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted October 7, 2008 Author Share Posted October 7, 2008 QUOTE (Cknolls @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 01:53 PM) Is this one as good as the VA. one yesterday that had something like a plus 12-13 Dem advantage? I tend to trust SurveyUSA. My only concern is they have polls in other states that are off by as large as 10 points compated to other reputable polls. SUSA's VA poll is in the vacinity of other VA polls and this PA poll is a little larger than most, but most have Obama at least +6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cknolls Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/07/ac...-investigation/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted October 7, 2008 Author Share Posted October 7, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 11:45 AM) This is getting scary: A reporter who was there tells me what that unspecified epithet was: "Uppity negro." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Ty Cobb is a Sarah Palin supporter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted October 7, 2008 Author Share Posted October 7, 2008 QUOTE (lostfan @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 03:22 PM) Ty Cobb is a Sarah Palin supporter? WOW! Old school reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted October 7, 2008 Author Share Posted October 7, 2008 Ok, party politics aside, at this point in the race with less than 28 days to go, what is the poll gap marker that tells you a candidate cant win that state? That's pretty poorly worded, so let me elaborate. If McCain is +5 in a state, is that a toss up? An uphill battle? Locked down for McCain? What if it's +3 or +10? We have said for a while to wait until we are closer to the election to see what states will really do on Nov 4th. Well, we are int he crunch. I set the number as +6 for a "lock" and +3 to +5 a uphill battle. Less than +3 is toss up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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