lvjeremylv Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 When Owens is healthy, if he gets handed the starting CF job (which would move Swish to LF and Quentin to the bench), Ozzie should be fired. Quentin has shown some serious talent so far this season, and to move him to the bench would be a terrible, terrible mistake. The only thing Owens brings to the plate is speed - and he doesn't get on base enough to make it worth putting him in there. Also, he throws like a girl and has no power. Obviously we're going to have some injuries throughout the year (every team does), but if we can avoid the major ones, this offense is going to be a run scoring machine. With Swishy and Cabrera hitting in front of Thome, Paulie, JD, Quentin, Crede, and hell even AJ...wow is all I can say. Owens can be on our bench as a 4th (or 5th) outfielder and can come into games as a pinch runner (maybe have him run for Paulie, then put Swish at 1B, and leave Owens in the game in CF). But he should not even sniff the starting lineup on a regular basis as long as everyone is healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 QUOTE(BearSox @ Apr 6, 2008 -> 10:40 PM) Richar already proved he is at least as good as Uribe, plus he offers more speed and from what I have seen, he is as good defensively (if not better) at 2B. He needs 2-3 weeks at charlotte to prove he's healthy and get his timing back. And Richar better pan out, because we gave up a pretty damn good prospect in Cunningham for him. This is insanity. Make all the fat jokes you want about Uribe, he is without a doubt the best defensive second-baseman the Sox have. He may very well be the best SS the Sox have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 10:16 AM) This is insanity. Make all the fat jokes you want about Uribe, he is without a doubt the best defensive second-baseman the Sox have. He may very well be the best SS the Sox have. They were also mentioning that during the game yesterday. Uribe may have the best arm of all 2B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 Sorry , But at this point, I am on the Uribe bandwagon. It is a pure joy to watch Uribe and Cabrera out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 QUOTE(RME JICO @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 12:22 PM) They were also mentioning that during the game yesterday. Uribe may have the best arm of all 2B. With the line-up we currently have, I don't mind having Uribe in the 9th spot swining away as he does. He'll hit is .250 and when he connects, it will go far. I like his defense at 2B. Its good to have depth and that is what Fields, Richar, BA/Owens, Ramirez provide this current line-up. If someone gets hurt, they can come up and fill in or in the case of the guys on the current bench, give guys a day off. I still can't wait to see Ozuna in there mixing things up every once in awhile. I really think Alexei needs to go down to AAA and get consistent ABs as a SS and see if he can be the guy there next year or in the future. Let him and Richar work there together and develop some chemistry. He is fun to watch but a little seasoning wouldn't hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted April 7, 2008 Author Share Posted April 7, 2008 QUOTE(rangercal @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 11:27 AM) Sorry , But at this point, I am on the Uribe bandwagon. It is a pure joy to watch Uribe and Cabrera out there. I was going to make a point to start a thread about this today. How has Uribe managed to make me not hate him? Oh, because watching him and O-Cab turn the double play is a beautiful thing. I can handle it... for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 QUOTE(heirdog @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 11:49 AM) With the line-up we currently have, I don't mind having Uribe in the 9th spot swining away as he does. He'll hit is .250 and when he connects, it will go far. I like his defense at 2B. Its good to have depth and that is what Fields, Richar, BA/Owens, Ramirez provide this current line-up. If someone gets hurt, they can come up and fill in or in the case of the guys on the current bench, give guys a day off. I still can't wait to see Ozuna in there mixing things up every once in awhile. I really think Alexei needs to go down to AAA and get consistent ABs as a SS and see if he can be the guy there next year or in the future. Let him and Richar work there together and develop some chemistry. He is fun to watch but a little seasoning wouldn't hurt. Ya as much as Uribe is awful offensively, its not too bad to have him batting last in the order when guys like Quentin and AJP are raking. I just hope Crede finds his 2006 self and makes it even better of a lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 10:50 AM) I was going to make a point to start a thread about this today. How has Uribe managed to make me not hate him? Oh, because watching him and O-Cab turn the double play is a beautiful thing. I can handle it... for now. I don't understand how my hate for Uribe can leave so quickly. But, I will Listen to the praise of one of the greatest 2nd basemen ever (Joe Morgan) rather than the soxtalk uribe hate club. And, I usually don't side with Joe Morgan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 (edited) QUOTE(rangercal @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 11:27 AM) Sorry , But at this point, I am on the Uribe bandwagon. It is a pure joy to watch Uribe and Cabrera out there. You'll turn on him when he has an OPS of nearly .700 in june. I know I will. Right now we are scoring runs without him. 2nd base isn't that difficult to play comparatively, and richar isn't much of a difference. He can turn it too. We saw that last year. Edited April 7, 2008 by max power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 QUOTE(rangercal @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 10:59 AM) I don't understand how my hate for Uribe can leave so quickly. But, I will Listen to the praise of one of the greatest 2nd basemen ever (Joe Morgan) rather than the soxtalk uribe hate club. And, I usually don't side with Joe Morgan. Joe Morgan also thinks Carlos Guillen is a good defensive 1B. That man has a list of retarded opinions 10 miles long. But yeah Juan Uribe is an absolute stud defensively at 2B I just wouldn't use the opinions of the worst broadcaster in sports history to prove my point no matter how good he was as a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 QUOTE(max power @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 01:04 PM) You'll turn on him when he has an OPS of nearly .700 in june. I know I will. Right now we are scoring runs without him. 2nd base isn't that difficult to play comparatively, and richar isn't much of a difference. He can turn it too. We saw that last year. Richar's OPS from his first couple months at the MLB level is really close to Uribe's. In fact I think it's a couple points higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 Morgan just isn't that smart about what players have accomplished. Ie, him saying Dye would have a tremendous season ignoring the fact that two years ago Jermaine had one of the best seasons in all of baseball. He just makes a lot of puzzling comments. I don't mind him because he has a good broadcasting voice but a lot of times you have to take his statements at heart. Including the comments about the Sox becoming a smart ball type of club because that is just a major misconceptoin about the 05 Sox. Yes they had Pods a top the order but the big key was the rotation and pen and you can't ignore the fact that the 05 Sox could still slug homers with the best of em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 QUOTE(lostfan @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 12:09 PM) Richar's OPS from his first couple months at the MLB level is really close to Uribe's. In fact I think it's a couple points higher. Who cares at this point? Uribe has shown us what he will be as a major leaguer. Richar hasn't had that chance yet. Richar's upside is that he is faster and a better hitter. 2nd base isn't about defense but richar can play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 11:10 AM) Morgan just isn't that smart about what players have accomplished. Ie, him saying Dye would have a tremendous season ignoring the fact that two years ago Jermaine had one of the best seasons in all of baseball. He just makes a lot of puzzling comments. I don't mind him because he has a good broadcasting voice but a lot of times you have to take his statements at heart. Including the comments about the Sox becoming a smart ball type of club because that is just a major misconceptoin about the 05 Sox. Yes they had Pods a top the order but the big key was the rotation and pen and you can't ignore the fact that the 05 Sox could still slug homers with the best of em. It doesn't get much better than http://www.firejoemorgan.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 QUOTE(max power @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 01:12 PM) Who cares at this point? Uribe has shown us what he will be as a major leaguer. Richar hasn't had that chance yet. Richar's upside is that he is faster and a better hitter. 2nd base isn't about defense but richar can play. Oh I know, I think you misunderstand me. I'm saying that with his first look at MLB pitching he is already as good as Uribe offensively, and he still has nowhere to go but up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 (edited) QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 01:10 PM) Morgan just isn't that smart about what players have accomplished. Ie, him saying Dye would have a tremendous season ignoring the fact that two years ago Jermaine had one of the best seasons in all of baseball. He just makes a lot of puzzling comments. I don't mind him because he has a good broadcasting voice but a lot of times you have to take his statements at heart. Including the comments about the Sox becoming a smart ball type of club because that is just a major misconceptoin about the 05 Sox. Yes they had Pods a top the order but the big key was the rotation and pen and you can't ignore the fact that the 05 Sox could still slug homers with the best of em. i know im in the vast minority, but i love joe morgan...he has a way better baseball mind than alot of people give him credit for...everyone says hes stupid...hes not at all...perhaps hes not entirely educated about the players in the game today, but he is plenty educated about the actual game play...plus i get the sense that the guy truly enjoys a good baseball game, and has a deep appreciation for the subtleties that exist in each and every game...and i personally think he communicates that very well....i feel if there is every a trick on a good pick off move from a pitcher, or a mechanical flaw with a base runner, he picks up on it and lets his audience know.....hes a throwback type guy, which is what i love with announcers (why i like hawk and harry callis and vin scully) you just hear alot about ERAs of baseball that you dont hear about many other places... not to mention goddamn that guy had one hell of a swing Edited April 7, 2008 by daa84 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 11:07 AM) Joe Morgan also thinks Carlos Guillen is a good defensive 1B. That man has a list of retarded opinions 10 miles long. But yeah Juan Uribe is an absolute stud defensively at 2B I just wouldn't use the opinions of the worst broadcaster in sports history to prove my point no matter how good he was as a player. He is an idiot, I agree. Being a hall of fame, gold glove 2nd basemen is the only reason I listened a little when he praised Uribe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 QUOTE(daa84 @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 10:19 AM) i know im in the vast minority, but i love joe morgan...he has a way better baseball mind than alot of people give him credit for...everyone says hes stupid...hes not at all...perhaps hes not entirely educated about the players in the game today, but he is plenty educated about the actual game play...plus i get the sense that the guy truly enjoys a good baseball game, and has a deep appreciation for the subtleties that exist in each and every game...and i personally think he communicates that very well....i feel if there is every a trick on a good pick off move from a pitcher, or a mechanical flaw with a base runner, he picks up on it and lets his audience know.....hes a throwback type guy, which is what i love with announcers (why i like hawk and harry callis and vin scully) you just hear alot about ERAs of baseball that you dont hear about many other places... not to mention goddamn that guy had one hell of a swing I can definately buy into what you say above and I totally agree that he absolutely loves the game and you can tell how much enthusiasm he has for it through his broadcasts. I know Vin Scully isn't as good today as he once was (he isn't as sharp with today's baseball game) but the stuff I learn listening to his games is just awesome (it takes you back in time listening to him, for me, to a generation that I've only seen in highlights or heard from my dad/grandpa). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 (edited) QUOTE(daa84 @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 12:19 PM) i know im in the vast minority, but i love joe morgan...he has a way better baseball mind than alot of people give him credit for...everyone says hes stupid...hes not at all...perhaps hes not entirely educated about the players in the game today, but he is plenty educated about the actual game play...plus i get the sense that the guy truly enjoys a good baseball game, and has a deep appreciation for the subtleties that exist in each and every game...and i personally think he communicates that very well....i feel if there is every a trick on a good pick off move from a pitcher, or a mechanical flaw with a base runner, he picks up on it and lets his audience know.....hes a throwback type guy, which is what i love with announcers (why i like hawk and harry callis and vin scully) you just hear alot about ERAs of baseball that you dont hear about many other places... not to mention goddamn that guy had one hell of a swing Its hard to agree with that after watching him campaign for Carlos Guillen, gold glover last night. He kept saying that what Guillen was doing was right, but Guillen set up for the throw more than once while standing in the first baseline. He was jogging to 1st, which Morgan said was good, but really isnt considering the other infielders are trying to hurry to get him the ball. Everything he complimented guillen on I thought was completely erroneous Edited April 7, 2008 by kyyle23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 QUOTE(lostfan @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 12:17 PM) Oh I know, I think you misunderstand me. I'm saying that with his first look at MLB pitching he is already as good as Uribe offensively, and he still has nowhere to go but up. Oh. Yeah I certainly did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 QUOTE(daa84 @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 12:19 PM) i know im in the vast minority, but i love joe morgan...he has a way better baseball mind than alot of people give him credit for...everyone says hes stupid...hes not at all...perhaps hes not entirely educated about the players in the game today, but he is plenty educated about the actual game play...plus i get the sense that the guy truly enjoys a good baseball game, and has a deep appreciation for the subtleties that exist in each and every game...and i personally think he communicates that very well....i feel if there is every a trick on a good pick off move from a pitcher, or a mechanical flaw with a base runner, he picks up on it and lets his audience know.....hes a throwback type guy, which is what i love with announcers (why i like hawk and harry callis and vin scully) you just hear alot about ERAs of baseball that you dont hear about many other places... not to mention goddamn that guy had one hell of a swing He's not necessarily stupid, he is just very biased most of the time. It gets annoying to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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