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QUOTE(elrockinMT @ Apr 6, 2008 -> 09:10 PM)
What I liked too was from McDougal. He didn't crack in the 9th and satrt giving up big hits. The guy kept battling and won

He also had no command over any of his pitches once again, he should be catching a bus ride to Charlotte tonight, sadly we're probably stuck with him for a while longer.

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some truths about the detroit tigers....

 

they are a bad defensive team. cabrera, guillen, jacque are all subpar defenders even magglio is bad now....

 

their bullpen is god awful...on paper worse than ours last year, probably wont perform that bad (how can any pen be as bad in reality as ours last year), but still horrendous

 

their SP is overrated...rogers old, bonderman really not that good (best ERA in career 4.08, then 4.57), willis cant throw strikes, robertson a decent major league pitcher, and verlander very good pitcher who we for some reason dominate

 

Offense..should be solid but pudge and sheff on the downside of their careers....magglio and polanco won't hit .363 and .341 again...and granderson probably wont go 20-20-20-20 again...pudge doesnt walk, neither does jacque jones (who also only had 5 HR at wrigley last year in 135 games)....also you have miguel cabrera adjusting to a new and tougher league

 

they arent as bad as 0-6, but they arent as good as alot of people think, or at least thought

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Carlos Quentin was my favorite acquisition in the offseason, and if healthy, he will be the best IMO. Just so much power.

 

I also like how when I want Ramirez to start, Uribe has a fantastic day defensively, and somehow gains the patience to draw 2 BB's (he did draw 2 right?).

 

Buehrle, pitching smart like he does 90% of time. Very good to see. And while I would still like Swisher moved down to the middle of the order, those 1st AB homers are a great way to start off a game offensively.

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QUOTE(BearSox @ Apr 6, 2008 -> 11:39 PM)
Carlos Quentin was my favorite acquisition in the offseason, and if healthy, he will be the best IMO. Just so much power.

 

I also like how when I want Ramirez to start, Uribe has a fantastic day defensively, and somehow gains the patience to draw 2 BB's (he did draw 2 right?).

 

Buehrle, pitching smart like he does 90% of time. Very good to see. And while I would still like Swisher moved down to the middle of the order, those 1st AB homers are a great way to start off a game offensively.

i like swisher right where he is...hes on base a ton and thats really what i want hitting in front of thome and co.

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QUOTE(daa84 @ Apr 6, 2008 -> 10:41 PM)
i like swisher right where he is...hes on base a ton and thats really what i want hitting in front of thome and co.

 

Right now, he is our best option at leadoff. But if we could somehow manage to get someone like Roberts, and move Swisher down, that'd be fantastic.

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QUOTE(BearSox @ Apr 6, 2008 -> 11:43 PM)
Right now, he is our best option at leadoff. But if we could somehow manage to get someone like Roberts, and move Swisher down, that'd be fantastic.

i agree, it would be nice to get roberts...but right now, im hoping we hold on to whatever trade chips that we have in the minors til some pitching becomes available...if we are still in contention it would be nice to be able to get another starter to fill in for whoever in that back end will struggle

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QUOTE(BearSox @ Apr 6, 2008 -> 09:43 PM)
Right now, he is our best option at leadoff. But if we could somehow manage to get someone like Roberts, and move Swisher down, that'd be fantastic.

Sadly there's no bullets left in that chamber. I agree that Swisher would be best utilized hitting down the order but there's nothing wrong with having a Grady Sizemore type leadoff hitter (minus the SBs of course) when you have a guy like Thome hitting 3rd and no other real leadoff options. Swisher and Sizemore probably have pretty similar power potential so you're not taking full advantage of that aspect of their game but at least you're giving one of your best hitters the most PAs of anyone in the lineup as opposed to a much less valuable offensive talent who happens to run fast.

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QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 6, 2008 -> 10:52 PM)
Sadly there's no bullets left in that chamber. I agree that Swisher would be best utilized hitting down the order but there's nothing wrong with having a Grady Sizemore type leadoff hitter (minus the SBs of course) when you have a guy like Thome hitting 3rd and no other real leadoff options. Swisher and Sizemore probably have pretty similar power potential so you're not taking full advantage of that aspect of their game but at least you're giving one of your best hitters the most PAs of anyone in the lineup as opposed to a much less valuable offensive talent who happens to run fast.

well, I don't Swisher being our leadoff hitter forever... just like I don't see Sizemore being Cleveland's leadoff hitter forever either. I think Swisher is basically a one year stop gap. However, if keeping Swisher at leadoff prevents someone like Owens being a starter and leadoff hitter, I never want to see Swisher moved out of that spot :)

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I'd leave Swisher right where he is.

 

His skills are:

- Working pitchers deep into counts...

- Getting on base...

 

NOT driving people in.

 

For example: Swisher's career average BA RISP = .220. (Sizemore = .279 career BA RISP)

 

Leave Swisher in a position to do what he does best... get on... and set up the middle of the order.

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QUOTE(BearSox @ Apr 6, 2008 -> 11:39 PM)
Carlos Quentin was my favorite acquisition in the offseason, and if healthy, he will be the best IMO. Just so much power.

 

:ph34r:

 

 

QUOTE(BearSox @ Mar 28, 2008 -> 04:57 PM)
And there isn't any doubt in my mind that Ramirez is a better hitter then Anderson and maybe even Quentin. So, I'd have no problem with Ramirez in CF on opening day.

 

I like Quentin, and he does have better tools, but I'd like to see a hitter brought in. Just my two cents.

 

QUOTE( @ Mar 18, 2008 -> 12:30 AM)
Anderson, CF (people know how I feel about him, but if my options are Owens and an injured Quentin, I gotta go with Anderson due to his defense)

 

:sweep:

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QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 6, 2008 -> 10:52 PM)
Sadly there's no bullets left in that chamber. I agree that Swisher would be best utilized hitting down the order but there's nothing wrong with having a Grady Sizemore type leadoff hitter (minus the SBs of course) when you have a guy like Thome hitting 3rd and no other real leadoff options. Swisher and Sizemore probably have pretty similar power potential so you're not taking full advantage of that aspect of their game but at least you're giving one of your best hitters the most PAs of anyone in the lineup as opposed to a much less valuable offensive talent who happens to run fast.

 

So I was thinking about it, and I wonder, if BA shows anything, if something along the lines of BA, Richar, Uribe, and Broadway would be close for Roberts. It's something I really don't want, atleast at this point, but it gives the Orioles two potential starting cogs in their lineup for a few years, a stopgap SS, and a potential starting pitcher too.

 

That seems like so much, but at the same time, it doesn't either. I don't know, just kinda throwing it out there.

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QUOTE(knightni @ Apr 6, 2008 -> 11:18 PM)
:ph34r:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:sweep:

well, you didn't see me talk down about Quentin in any of those posts... I don't know what the context of the second quote is, and in the last quote, in all fairness, we didn't even know if he was healthy.

 

Oh and in the 1st one, I said maybe... and Ramirez is probably my second favorite addition from the offseason.

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QUOTE(knightni @ Apr 6, 2008 -> 11:24 PM)
The second quote was in a tradewinds article.

 

You wanted Conor Jackson brought in even though we acquired Quentin.

 

Those are honest Google searches.

Thinking about, Jackson and Quentin are pretty much similar types of players, except that Quentin is better defensively at his position, offers more speed and power, but probably less average.

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QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 12:18 AM)
So I was thinking about it, and I wonder, if BA shows anything, if something along the lines of BA, Richar, Uribe, and Broadway would be close for Roberts. It's something I really don't want, atleast at this point, but it gives the Orioles two potential starting cogs in their lineup for a few years, a stopgap SS, and a potential starting pitcher too.

 

That seems like so much, but at the same time, it doesn't either. I don't know, just kinda throwing it out there.

They'd get use out of Richar and definitely Broadway, but they really have no need for Anderson (or Owens) having a young OF of Luke Scott, Adam Jones, and Nick Markakis (I live in MD and I see them a lot).

 

I don't know enough about Luis Hernandez to comment about what they want to do about their SS situation though except for the fact that he's a defensive specialist and sucks at hitting. Which is basically Uribe without the power.

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"The biggest thing that surprised me is not the on-the-field play, because I've seen that," said Swisher, who drove in two runs on Sunday. "I think it's the inside-the-clubhouse camaraderie. A lot of time the word 'family' is thrown around loosely. But around here it's not. When you talk about the White Sox family, it is family. And I'm proud to be part of it."

 

"A lot of people are counting us out, but I think we're going to show a lot of people what we can really do," Crede added. "Everybody on this team knows what happened last year and nobody wants to go through that again."

 

I know - it's WAY too early, but I do have a good feeling about this team. f*** the tigers!

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QUOTE(lostfan @ Apr 6, 2008 -> 11:31 PM)
They'd get use out of Richar and definitely Broadway, but they really have no need for Anderson (or Owens) having a young OF of Luke Scott, Adam Jones, and Nick Markakis (I live in MD and I see them a lot).

 

I don't know enough about Luis Hernandez to comment about what they want to do about their SS situation though except for the fact that he's a defensive specialist and sucks at hitting. Which is basically Uribe without the power.

 

Scott's not exactly young at 30 years old, but I'd forgotten about Not-Pacman Jones. For whatever reason, he just blanked on me.

 

Their outfield is pretty much set I suppose though, so unless they wanted to move some people around a bit, they wouldn't have a ton of use for BA. Getting a glove like that in CF is always nice, but they could probably do a bit better.

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Great road trip after the two losses. Amazing stuff.

The key now is to start setting the tone for home field dominance.

If we can play like that on the road and excel at home, we'd be a contender.

We've seen seasons where the Sox rule at home and those where they are nothing special.

Like somebody said, let's beat a Twins team that on paper isn't as good as others they've

had. No steps back after a great road trip.

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QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 12:55 AM)
Scott's not exactly young at 30 years old, but I'd forgotten about Not-Pacman Jones. For whatever reason, he just blanked on me.

 

Their outfield is pretty much set I suppose though, so unless they wanted to move some people around a bit, they wouldn't have a ton of use for BA. Getting a glove like that in CF is always nice, but they could probably do a bit better.

Yeah I forgot about Scott's age, he's been in the minors so long that you look at the fact this is his 3rd year in the majors and 2nd full year and it seems like he should be younger.

 

I didn't realize Adam Jones had the same name as Pacman until just now, lol.

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