fathom Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 30, 2008 -> 10:09 PM) Well, the only person who responded with more vehemence to the allegation than Helton did was Clemens. Helton got the only guy who accused him in a paper to take it back really, really quick. I guess it's just really peculiar timing then that his numbers went way down after the .2004 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 I credit the Cardinals for hanging around like they have. If Mulder and/or Carpenter can give them anything when they come back they'll make it a race for the entire season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ May 30, 2008 -> 09:11 PM) I credit the Cardinals for hanging around like they have. If Mulder and/or Carpenter can give them anything when they come back they'll make it a race for the entire season Mulder's career is likely over. As a Cubs hater, you should hope he doesn't return. I still think the Astros are the best bet to hang around, but I still see the Cubs as the clear cut top team in the NL Central. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ May 30, 2008 -> 03:11 PM) I guess it's just really peculiar timing then that his numbers went way down after the .2004 season. I see your point and it will be so hard to judge that issue looking back. In Helton's defense, they did start using the humidor balls which I believe did impact overall numbers at Coors and he is getting older. That will be something a lot of younger fans haven't seen, players getting older and their gradual decline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSoxfan1986 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Watching the Cubs play at home is going to take 10 years off my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ May 30, 2008 -> 10:12 PM) I see your point and it will be so hard to judge that issue looking back. In Helton's defense, they did start using the humidor balls which I believe did impact overall numbers at Coors and he is getting older. That will be something a lot of younger fans haven't seen, players getting older and their gradual decline That's very true...I was thinking that about Thome the other day. We're just not used to seeing players actually decline in their 35-40's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 G. Atkins is 0-10 with 10 men left on base in this series. I feel bad for Rockies fans....they probably thought they'd have meaningful games all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ May 30, 2008 -> 03:12 PM) Mulder's career is likely over. As a Cubs hater, you should hope he doesn't return. I still think the Astros are the best bet to hang around, but I still see the Cubs as the clear cut top team in the NL Central. damn, didn't know that about mulder, that is too bad. Oh yeah, I agree, they are the best in the Central, but we shall see!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ May 30, 2008 -> 03:13 PM) That's very true...I was thinking that about Thome the other day. We're just not used to seeing players actually decline in their 35-40's. yeah, and his OPS + and RC/G have still been OK even in his decline, I think he should contribute all year, but not at the level he has in the past Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 (edited) I don't think I've ever seen a team better bulit for their ballpark than this years Cubs, and their record both at home and on the road reflects it. That park is truly a joke when the wind blows out, as soon as it was 9-1, I predicted they would come back and win, it was so obvious that it was almost common sense. Just hope the Cardinals stay hot, because the Cubs will cool off at home eventually, but also don't put any emotional stock into what the blue b****es do, because your just going to be miserable when they are at home. I still wonder how people think the NL is on the rebound too, every team the Cubs play is awful, even the Diamondbacks have lost 4 in a row and are generally turning for the worst. The fact that the Cardinals, Marlins, and Astros are right there in the NL (and none of them have ANY real pitching), says a lot. Edited May 30, 2008 by whitesoxfan101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ May 30, 2008 -> 09:17 PM) I don't think I've ever seen a team better bulit for their ballpark than this years Cubs, and their record both at home and on the road reflects it. That park is truly a joke when the wind blows out, as soon as it was 9-1, I predicted they would come back and win, it was so obvious that it was almost common sense. Just hope the Cardinals stay hot, because the Cubs will cool off at home eventually, but also don't put any emotional stock into what the blue b****es do, because your just going to be miserable when they are at home. I still wonder how people think the NL is on the rebound too, every team the Cubs play is awful, even the Diamondbacks have lost 4 in a row and are generally turning for the worst. The fact that the Cardinals, Marlins, and Astros are right there in the NL (and none of them have ANY real pitching), says a lot. How about the fact the game was in the 7th inning, and with 3 lefties in a row for the Cubs, the Rockies didn't have a lefty they could bring in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ May 30, 2008 -> 09:17 PM) I don't think I've ever seen a team better bulit for their ballpark than this years Cubs, and their record both at home and on the road reflects it. That park is truly a joke when the wind blows out, as soon as it was 9-1, I predicted they would come back and win, it was so obvious that it was almost common sense. Just hope the Cardinals stay hot, because the Cubs will cool off at home eventually, but also don't put any emotional stock into what the blue b****es do, because your just going to be miserable when they are at home. I still wonder how people think the NL is on the rebound too, every team the Cubs play is awful, even the Diamondbacks have lost 4 in a row and are generally turning for the worst. The fact that the Cardinals, Marlins, and Astros are right there in the NL (and none of them have ANY real pitching), says a lot. I've already started thinking of who I want to see in the playoffs with them. I'd have to say Arizona, Mets, and Phillies. Cole Hamels owns the Cubs, so if the Phillies end up winning the Wild Card, that would be a tough series for the Cubs. And this is totally hypothetical, so spare me the "I can't believe you're saying they're in the playoffs already by the end of May". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthsideNorthsideFan Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 QUOTE (Pants Rowland @ May 30, 2008 -> 02:51 PM) What sucks is this is going to be one of those games we will hear about for the next 30 years. Like that stupid "Sandberg" game where he hit 2 home runs off of Sutter or the "Homer in the Gloamin" that dumbass Murphy talks about as if he was even a gleam in his dad's bloodshot eye at the time. I hope not. This doesn't touch either of those. Lots of teams have big comebacks against bad teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 (edited) Today's game won't go down in some sort of lore. They beat one of the three worst teams in baseball on a warm May day where the wind was howling out. This home season for them as a whole might go down in lore for them at this rate though, they don't even need to win on the road right now (and they haven't since their opening series). The home/road splits for their hitters are just astounding. Edited May 30, 2008 by whitesoxfan101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ May 30, 2008 -> 04:20 PM) I've already started thinking of who I want to see in the playoffs with them. I'd have to say Arizona, Mets, and Phillies. Cole Hamels owns the Cubs, so if the Phillies end up winning the Wild Card, that would be a tough series for the Cubs. And this is totally hypothetical, so spare me the "I can't believe you're saying they're in the playoffs already by the end of May". They are probably in already. Even if the Cardinals stay hot and somehow win the division (unlikely), there is a pretty good chance the wild card will come from the Central right now because of how bad the bottom 3 in the division are. The Phillies and Diamondbacks (despite what happened a few weeks ago) both are better built to win in the playoffs than the Cubs because the Cubs rotation still isn't very good and both also have the lineups to keep up with the Cubs for the most part. I think the Mets are done unless they fire Randolph though, which doesn't look likely anytime soon because Minaya is an idiot. Edited May 30, 2008 by whitesoxfan101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ May 30, 2008 -> 10:22 PM) Today's game won't go down in some sort of lore. They beat one of the three worst teams in baseball on a warm May day where the wind was howling out. This home season for them as a whole might go down in lore for them at this rate though, they don't even need to win on the road right now (and they haven't since their opening series). The home/road splits for their hitters are just astounding. This Rockies team is far and away the worst team in baseball with all of their injuries right now. The next worse team is the Padres....but the Cubs don't play them for a long time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Rowland Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ May 30, 2008 -> 03:22 PM) Today's game won't go down in some sort of lore. They beat one of the three worst teams in baseball on a warm May day where the wind was howling out. This home season for them as a whole might go down in lore for them at this rate though, they don't even need to win on the road right now (and they haven't since their opening series). The home/road splits for their hitters are just astounding. I agree with your logic, but we are talking about Cubs fans here. They like to make legends out of everything, and don't think the Tribune and their cute stories won't help their cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 QUOTE (Pants Rowland @ May 30, 2008 -> 04:29 PM) I agree with your logic, but we are talking about Cubs fans here. They like to make legends out of everything, and don't think the Tribune and their cute stories won't help their cause. As a wise man once said: "That's why I don't read the newspaper, because it's garbage". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Reason #100005 why I hate the Cubs and their fans. An actual smart baseball friend of mine at work was trying to say how the AL Central is the worst division in baseball. He's like "the Pirates would destroy the Tigers right now". There's already a few teams in the NL who's season is over....Padres, Rockies, Nationals, and Giants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Rowland Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ May 30, 2008 -> 03:30 PM) As a wise man once said: "That's why I don't read the newspaper, because it's garbage". Was that Ozzie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Guys, don't worry....they face Glendon Rusch tomorrow! The newspaper should be loaded with tributes and editorials about his triumphant return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29andPoplar Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 I've already started thinking of who I want to see in the playoffs with them. I'd have to say Arizona, Mets, and Phillies. Cole Hamels owns the Cubs, so if the Phillies end up winning the Wild Card, that would be a tough series for the Cubs. And this is totally hypothetical, so spare me the "I can't believe you're saying they're in the playoffs already by the end of May". I can't believe you're saying they're in the playoffs already by the end of May. Absolutely everything is going their way at home right now. Things tend to even out. The good news is they aren't running away with anything, the other teams are within striking distance. Plus, unless I'm wrong, it seems like they've played a lot of home games vs. road games. All that said ... the Rockies should be ashamed of themselves. Blowing an 8 run lead is mind boggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ May 30, 2008 -> 04:31 PM) Reason #100005 why I hate the Cubs and their fans. An actual smart baseball friend of mine at work was trying to say how the AL Central is the worst division in baseball. He's like "the Pirates would destroy the Tigers right now". There's already a few teams in the NL who's season is over....Padres, Rockies, Nationals, and Giants. The NL is the definition of top heavy, and the top really isn't even all that good. People keep saying the NL is back on the way up because AL offense isn't nearly as good, but the reason is the AL pitching is just a billion times better. Even our offense could probably have some outbursts against it, and we did in one of our first three games against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Rowland Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ May 30, 2008 -> 03:31 PM) Reason #100005 why I hate the Cubs and their fans. An actual smart baseball friend of mine at work was trying to say how the AL Central is the worst division in baseball. He's like "the Pirates would destroy the Tigers right now". There's already a few teams in the NL who's season is over....Padres, Rockies, Nationals, and Giants. While the ALC is not proving to be nearly as good as preseason predictions, it is tough to miss how bad the NLW is right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 QUOTE (Pants Rowland @ May 30, 2008 -> 09:34 PM) While the ALC is not proving to be nearly as good as preseason predictions, it is tough to miss how bad the NLW is right now. Of course, no one mentions that the Tigers are 16-12 against other AL teams not in the AL Central. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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