Your favorite Presidential speeches

[Gregory Pratt]

Thought it'd be interesting to share some of your favorite American rhetoric.

I have numerous speeches I'm fond of. Probably at least one from every President. Truman especially, and Nixon additionally, are well-represented.

 

I'll share Nixon's 1968 Convention address, which is in a lot of ways perfect for me.

 

Edit: sorry about the long formatting, but that's how it copied.

 

Mr. Chairman, delegates to this convention, my fellow Americans.

 

Sixteen years ago I stood before this Convention to accept your nomination as the running mate of one of the greatest Americans of our time -- or of any time -- Dwight D. Eisenhower.

 

Eight years ago, I had the highest honor of accepting your nomination for President of the United States. Tonight, I again proudly accept that nomination for President of the United States.

 

But I have news for you. This time there is a difference.

 

This time we are going to win.

 

We're going to win for a number of reasons: first a personal one. General Eisenhower, as you know, lies critically ill in the Walter Reed Hospital tonight. I have talked, however, with Mrs. Eisenhower on the telephone. She tells me that his heart is with us. And she says that there is nothing that he lives more for and there is nothing that would lift him more than for us to win in November and I say let's win this one for Ike!

 

We are going to win because this great Convention has demonstrated to the nation that the Republican Party has the leadership, the platform and the purpose that America needs. We are going to win because you have nominated as my running mate a statesman of the first rank who will be a great campaigner and one who is fully qualified to undertake the new responsibilities that I shall give to the next Vice President of the United States.

 

And he is a man who fully shares my conviction and yours, that after a period of forty years when power has gone from the cities and the states to the government in Washington, D.C., it's time to have power go back from Washington to the states and to the cities of this country allover America.

 

We are going to win because at a time that America cries out for the unity that this Administration has destroyed, the Republican Party -- after a spirited contest for its nomination -- for President and for Vice President stands united before the nation tonight.

 

I congratulate Governor Reagan. I congratulate Governor Rockefeller. I congratulate Governor Romney. I congratulate all those who have made the hard fight that they have for this nomination. And I know that you will all fight even harder for the great victory our party is going to win in November because we're going to be together in that election campaign.

 

And a party that can unite itself will unite America.

 

My fellow Americans, most important -- we are going to win because our cause is right.

 

We make history tonight -- not for ourselves but for the ages.

 

The choice we make in 1968 will determine not only the future of America but the future of peace and freedom in the world for the last third of the Twentieth Century.

 

And the question that we answer tonight: can America meet this great challenge?

 

For a few moments, let us look at America, let us listen to America to find the answer to that question.

 

As we look at America, we see cities enveloped in smoke and flame.

 

We hear sirens in the night.

 

We see Americans dying on distant battlefields abroad.

 

We see Americans hating each other; fighting each other; killing each other at home.

 

And as we see and hear these things, millions of Americans cry out in anguish.

 

Did we come all this way for this?

 

Did American boys die in Normandy, and Korea, and in Valley Forge for this?

 

Listen to the answer to those questions.

 

It is another voice. It is the quiet voice in the tumult and the shouting.

 

It is the voice of the great majority of Americans, the forgotten Americans -- the non-shouters; the non-demonstrators.

 

They are not racists or sick; they are not guilty of the crime that plagues the land.

 

They are black and they are white -- they're native born and foreign born -- they're young and they're old.

 

They work in America's factories.

 

They run America's businesses.

 

They serve in government.

 

They provide most of the soldiers who died to keep us free.

 

They give drive to the spirit of America.

 

They give lift to the American Dream.

 

They give steel to the backbone of America. They are good people, they are decent people; they work, and they save, and they pay their taxes, and they care.

 

Like Theodore Roosevelt, they know that this country will not be a good place for any of us to live in unless it is a good place for all of us to live in.

 

This I say to you tonight is the real voice of America. In this year 1968, this is the message it will broadcast to America and to the world.

 

Let's never forget that despite her faults, America is a great nation.

 

And America is great because her people are great.

 

With Winston Churchill, we say: "We have not journeyed all this way across the centuries, across the oceans, across the mountains, across the prairies because we are made of sugar candy."

 

America is in trouble today not because her people have failed but because her leaders have failed.

 

And what America needs are leaders to match the greatness of her people.

 

And this great group of Americans, the forgotten Americans, and others know that the great question Americans must answer by their votes in November is this: Whether we shall continue for four more years the policies of the last five years.

 

And this is their answer and this is my answer to that question.

 

When the strongest nation in the world can be tied down for four years in a war in Vietnam with no end in sight;

 

When the richest nation in the world can't manage its own economy;

 

 

 

When the nation with the greatest tradition of the rule of law is plagued by unprecedented lawlessness;

 

 

 

When a nation that has been known for a century for equality of opportunity is torn by unprecedented racial violence;

 

 

 

And when the President of the United States cannot travel abroad or to any major city at home without fear of a hostile demonstration -- then it's time for new leadership for the United States of America.

 

 

 

My fellow Americans, tonight I accept the challenge and the commitment to provide that new leadership for America.

 

 

 

And I ask you to accept it with me.

 

 

 

And let us accept this challenge not as a grim duty but as an exciting adventure in which we are privileged to help a great nation realize its destiny.

 

 

And let us begin by committing ourselves to the truth -- to see it like it is, and tell it like it is -- to find the truth, to speak the truth, and to live the truth -- that's what we will do.

 

 

 

We've had enough of big promises and little action.

 

 

 

The time has come for honest government in the United States of America.

 

 

 

And so tonight I do not promise the millennium in the morning.

 

 

 

I don't promise that we can eradicate poverty, and end discrimination, eliminate all danger of war in the space of four, or even eight years. But, I do promise action -- a new policy for peace abroad; a new policy for peace and progress and justice at home.

 

 

Look at our problems abroad. Do you realize that we face the stark truth that we are worse off in every area of the world tonight than we were when President Eisenhower left office eight years ago. That's the record. And there is only one answer to such a record of failure and that is a complete housecleaning of those responsible for the failures of that record. The answer is a complete re-appraisal of America's policies in every section of the world.

 

 

We shall begin with Vietnam.

 

 

 

We all hope in this room that there is a chance that current negotiations may bring an honorable end to that war. And we will say nothing during this campaign that might destroy that chance.

 

 

 

But if the war is not ended when the people choose in November, the choice will be clear. Here it is.

 

 

 

For four years this Administration has had at its disposal the greatest military and economic advantage that one nation has ever had over another in any war in history.

 

 

 

For four years, America's fighting men have set a record for courage and sacrifice unsurpassed in our history.

 

 

 

For four years, this Administration has had the support of the Loyal Opposition for the objective of seeking an honorable end to the struggle.

 

 

 

Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively.

 

 

 

And if after all of this time and all of this sacrifice and all of this support there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership -- not tied to the mistakes and the policies of the past. That is what we offer to America.

 

 

 

And I pledge to you tonight that the first priority foreign policy objective of our next Administration will be to bring an honorable end to the war in Vietnam. We shall not stop there -- we need a policy to prevent more Vietnams.

 

 

 

All of America's peace-keeping institutions and all of America's foreign commitments must be re-appraised. Over the past twenty-five years, America has provided more than one-hundred and fifty billion dollars in foreign aid to nations abroad.

 

 

 

In Korea and now again in Vietnam, the United States furnished most of the money, most of the arms; most of the men to help the people of those countries defend themselves against aggression.

 

 

 

Now we are a rich country. We are a strong nation. We are a populous nation. But there are two hundred million Americans and they're two billion people that live in the Free World.

 

 

 

And I say the time has come for other nations in the Free World to bear their fair share of the burden of defending peace and freedom around this world.

 

 

 

What I call for is not a new isolationism. It is a new internationalism in which America enlists its allies and its friends around the world in those struggles in which their interest is as great as ours.

 

 

 

And now to the leaders of the Communist world, we say: After an era of confrontation, the time has come for an era of negotiation.

 

 

 

Where the world's super powers are concerned, there is no acceptable alternative to peaceful negotiation.

 

 

Because this will be a period of negotiation, we shall restore the strength of America so that we shall always negotiate from strength and never from weakness.

 

 

 

And as we seek peace through negotiation, let our goals be made clear:

 

 

 

We do not seek domination over any other country.

 

 

 

We believe deeply in our ideas, but we believe they should travel on their own power and not on the power of our arms.

 

 

 

We shall never be belligerent but we shall be as firm in defending our system as they are in expanding theirs.

 

 

 

We believe this should be an era of peaceful competition, not only in the productivity of our factories but in the quality of our ideas.

 

 

 

We extend the hand of friendship to all people, to the Russian people, to the Chinese people, to all people in the world.

 

 

 

And we shall work toward the goal of an open world -- open skies, open cities, open hearts, open minds.

 

 

 

The next eight years, my friends, this period in which we are entering, I think we will have the greatest opportunity for world peace but also face the greatest danger of world war of any time in our history.

 

 

 

I believe we must have peace. I believe that we can have peace, but I do not underestimate the difficulty of this task. Because you see the art of preserving peace is greater than that of waging war and much more demanding. But I am proud to have served in an Administration which ended one war and kept the nation out of other wars for eight years. And it is that kind of experience and it is that kind of leadership that America needs today, and that we will give to America with your help.

 

 

 

And as we commit to new policies for America tonight, let us make one further pledge:

 

 

 

For five years hardly a day has gone by when we haven't read or heard a report of the American flag being spit on; an embassy being stoned; a library being burned; or an ambassador being insulted some place in the world. And each incident reduced respect for the United States until the ultimate insult inevitably occurred.

 

 

 

And I say to you tonight that when respect for the United States of America falls so low that a fourth-rate military power, like North Korea, will seize an American naval vessel on the high seas, it is time for new leadership to restore respect for the United States of America.

 

 

My friends, America is a great nation.

 

 

 

And it is time we started to act like a great nation around the world. It is ironic to note when we were a small nation -- weak militarily and poor economically -- America was respected. And the reason was that America stood for something more powerful than military strength or economic wealth.

 

 

 

The American Revolution was a shining example of freedom in action which caught the imagination of the world.

 

 

 

Today, too often, America is an example to be avoided and not followed.

 

 

A nation that can't keep the peace at home won't be trusted to keep the peace abroad.

 

 

 

A President who isn't treated with respect at home will not be treated with respect abroad.

 

 

 

A nation which can't manage its own economy can't tell others how to manage theirs.

 

 

 

If we are to restore prestige and respect for America abroad, the place to begin is at home in the United States of America.

 

 

 

My friends, we live in an age of revolution in America and in the world. And to find the answers to our problems, let us turn to a revolution, a revolution that will never grow old. The world's greatest continuing revolution, the American Revolution.

 

 

 

The American Revolution was and is dedicated to progress, but our founders recognized that the first requisite of progress is order.

 

 

 

Now, there is no quarrel between progress and order -- because neither can exist without the other.

 

 

 

So let us have order in America -- not the order that suppresses dissent and discourages change but the order which guarantees the right to dissent and provides the basis for peaceful change.

 

 

 

And tonight, it is time for some honest talk about the problem of order in the United States.

 

 

 

Let us always respect, as I do, our courts and those who serve on them. But let us also recognize that some of our courts in their decisions have gone too far in weakening the peace forces as against the criminal forces in this country and we must act to restore that balance.

 

 

 

Let those who have the responsibility to enforce our laws and our judges who have the responsibility to interpret them be dedicated to the great principles of civil rights.

 

 

 

But let them also recognize that the first civil right of every American is to be free from domestic violence, and that right must be guaranteed in this country.

 

 

 

And if we are to restore order and respect for law in this country there is one place we are going to begin. We are going to have a new Attorney General of the United States of America.

 

 

 

I pledge to you that our new Attorney General will be directed by the President of the United States to launch a war against organized crime in this country.

 

 

 

I pledge to you that the new Attorney General of the United States will be an active belligerent against the loan sharks and the numbers racketeers that rob the urban poor in our cities.

 

 

 

I pledge to you that the new Attorney General will open a new front against the filth peddlers and the narcotics peddlers who are corrupting the lives of the children of this country.

 

 

 

Because, my friends, let this message come through clear from what I say tonight. Time is running out for the merchants of crime and corruption in American society.

 

 

 

The wave of crime is not going to be the wave of the future in the United States of America.

 

 

 

We shall re-establish freedom from fear in America so that America can take the lead in re-establishing freedom from fear in the world.

 

 

 

And to those who say that law and order is the code word for racism, there and here is a reply:

 

 

 

Our goal is justice for every American. If we are to have respect for law in America, we must have laws that deserve respect.

 

 

 

Just as we cannot have progress without order, we cannot have order without progress, and so, as we commit to order tonight, let us commit to progress.

 

 

 

And this brings me to the clearest choice among the great issues of this campaign.

 

 

 

For the past five years we have been deluged by government programs for the unemployed; programs for the cities; programs for the poor. And we have reaped from these programs an ugly harvest of frustration, violence and failure across the land.

 

 

And now our opponents will be offering more of the same -- more billions for government jobs, government housing, government welfare.

 

 

 

I say it is time to quit pouring billions of dollars into programs that have failed in the United States of America.

 

 

 

To put it bluntly, we are on the wrong road -- and it's time to take a new road, to progress.

 

 

 

Again, we turn to the American Revolution for our answer.

 

 

 

The war on poverty didn't begin five years ago in this country. It began when this country began. It's been the most successful war on poverty in the history of nations. There is more wealth in America today, more broadly shared, than in any nation in the world.

 

 

 

We are a great nation. And we must never forget how we became great.

 

 

 

America is a great nation today not because of what government did for people -- but because of what people did for themselves over a hundred-ninety years in this country.

 

 

 

So it is time to apply the lessons of the American Revolution to our present problem.

 

 

 

Let us increase the wealth of America so that we can provide more generously for the aged; and for the needy; and for all those who cannot help themselves.

 

 

 

But for those who are able to help themselves -- what we need are not more millions on welfare rolls -- but more millions on payrolls in the United States of America.

 

 

 

Instead of government jobs, and government housing, and government welfare, let government use its tax and credit policies to enlist in this battle the greatest engine of progress ever developed in the history of man -- American private enterprise.

 

 

 

Let us enlist in this great cause the millions of Americans in volunteer organizations who will bring a dedication to this task that no amount of money could ever buy.

 

 

 

And let us build bridges, my friends, build bridges to human dignity across that gulf that separates black America from white America.

 

 

 

Black Americans, no more than white Americans, they do not want more government programs which perpetuate dependency.

 

 

 

They don't want to be a colony in a nation.

 

 

 

They want the pride, and the self-respect, and the dignity that can only come if they have an equal chance to own their own homes, to own their own businesses, to be managers and executives as well as workers, to have apiece of the action in the exciting ventures of private enterprise.

 

 

 

I pledge to you tonight that we shall have new programs which will provide that equal chance.

 

 

 

We make great history tonight.

 

 

 

We do not fire a shot heard 'round the world but we shall light the lamp of hope in millions of homes across this land in which there is no hope today.

 

 

 

And that great light shining out from America will again become a beacon of hope for all those in the world who seek freedom and opportunity.

 

 

 

My fellow Americans, I believe that historians will recall that 1968 marked the beginning of the American generation in world history.

 

 

 

Just to be alive in America, just to be alive at this time is an experience unparalleled in history. Here is where the action is. Think.

 

 

 

Thirty-two years from now most Americans living today will celebrate a new year that comes once in a thousand years.

 

 

 

Eight years from now, in the second term of the next President, we will celebrate the 200th anniversary of the American Revolution.

 

 

 

And by our decision in this election, we, all of us here, all of you listening on television and radio, we will determine what kind of nation America will be on its 200th birthday; we will determine what kind of a world America will live in the year 2000.

 

 

 

This is the kind of a day I see for America on that glorious Fourth -- eight years from now.

 

 

 

I see a day when Americans are once again proud of their flag. When once again at home and abroad, it is honored as the world's greatest symbol of liberty and justice.

 

 

 

I see a day when the President of the United States is respected and his office is honored because it is worthy of respect and worthy of honor.

 

 

 

I see a day when every child in this land, regardless of his background, has a chance for the best education our wisdom and schools can provide, and an equal chance to go just as high as his talents will take him.

 

 

 

I see a day when life in rural America attracts people to the country, rather than driving them away.

 

 

 

I see a day when we can look back on massive breakthroughs in solving the problems of slums and pollution and traffic which are choking our cities to death.

 

 

 

I see a day when our senior citizens and millions of others can plan for the future with the assurance that their government is not going to rob them of their savings by destroying the value of their dollars.

 

 

 

I see a day when we will again have freedom from fear in America and freedom from fear in the world.

 

 

 

I see a day when our nation is at peace and the world is at peace and everyone on earth -- those who hope, those who aspire, those who crave liberty -- will look to America as the shining example of hopes realized and dreams achieved.

 

 

 

My fellow Americans, this is the cause I ask you to vote for. This is the cause I ask you to work for. This is the cause I ask you to commit to -- not just for victory in November but beyond that to a new Administration.

 

 

 

Because the time when one man or a few leaders could save America is gone. We need tonight nothing less than the total commitment and the total mobilization of the American people if we are to succeed.

 

 

 

Government can pass laws. But respect for law can come only from people who take the law into their hearts and their minds -- and not into their hands.

 

 

 

Government can provide opportunity. But opportunity means nothing unless people are prepared to seize it.

 

 

 

A President can ask for reconciliation in the racial conflict that divides Americans. But reconciliation comes only from the hearts of people.

 

 

 

And tonight, therefore, as we make this commitment, let us look into our hearts and let us look down into the faces of our children.

 

 

 

Is there anything in the world that should stand in their way?

 

 

 

None of the old hatreds mean anything when we look down into the faces of our children.

 

 

 

In their faces is our hope, our love, and our courage.

 

 

 

Tonight, I see the face of a child.

 

 

 

He lives in a great city. He is black. Or he is white. He is Mexican, Italian, Polish. None of that matters. What matters, he's an American child.

 

 

 

That child in that great city is more important than any politician's promise. He is America. He is a poet. He is a scientist, he is a great teacher, he is a proud craftsman. He is everything we ever hoped to be and everything we dare to dream to be.

 

 

 

He sleeps the sleep of childhood and he dreams the dreams of a child.

 

 

 

And yet when he awakens, he awakens to a living nightmare of poverty, neglect and despair.

 

 

 

He fails in school.

 

 

 

He ends up on welfare.

 

 

 

For him the American system is one that feeds his stomach and starves his soul. It breaks his heart. And in the end it may take his life on some distant battlefield.

 

 

 

To millions of children in this rich land, this is their prospect of the future.

 

 

 

But this is only part of what I see in America.

 

 

 

I see another child tonight.

 

 

 

He hears the train go by at night and he dreams of far away places where he'd like to go.

 

 

 

It seems like an impossible dream.

 

 

 

But he is helped on his journey through life.

 

 

 

A father who had to go to work before he finished the sixth grade, sacrificed everything he had so that his sons could go to college.

 

 

 

A gentle, Quaker mother, with a passionate concern for peace, quietly wept when he went to war but she understood why he had to go.

 

 

 

A great teacher, a remarkable football coach, an inspirational minister encouraged him on his way.

 

 

 

A courageous wife and loyal children stood by him in victory and also defeat.

 

 

 

And in his chosen profession of politics, first there were scores, then hundreds, then thousands, and finally millions worked for his success.

 

 

 

And tonight he stands before you -- nominated for President of the United States of America.

 

 

 

You can see why I believe so deeply in the American Dream.

 

 

 

For most of us the American Revolution has been won; the American Dream has come true.

 

 

 

And what I ask you to do tonight is to help me make that dream come true for millions to whom it's an impossible dream today.

 

 

 

One hundred and eight years ago, the newly elected President of the United States, Abraham Lincoln, left Springfield, Illinois, never to return again. He spoke to his friends gathered at the railroad station. Listen to his words:

 

 

 

"Today I leave you. I go to assume a greater task than devolved on General Washington. The great God which helped him must help me. Without that great assistance, I will surely fail. With it, I cannot fail."

 

 

 

Abraham Lincoln lost his life but he did not fail.

 

 

 

The next President of the United States will face challenges which in some ways will be greater than those of Washington or Lincoln. Because for the first time in our nation's history, an American President will face not only the problem of restoring peace abroad but of restoring peace at home.

 

 

 

Without God's help and your help, we will surely fail; but with God's help and your help, we shall surely succeed.

 

 

 

My fellow Americans, the long dark night for America is about to end.

 

 

 

The time has come for us to leave the valley of despair and climb the mountain so that we may see the glory of the dawn --a new day for America, and a new dawn for peace and freedom in the world.

Edited April 11, 2008 by Gregory Pratt

[Balta1701]

Our goal is justice for every American. If we are to have respect for law in America, we must have laws that deserve respect.

LOL.

[Gregory Pratt]

I happen to think Richard Nixon got the rawest of deals in Watergate and that whole affair will eventually stop overshadowing his Presidency, if not be criticized as having a whole hell of a lot less to do with Nixon than some might imagine. But hey, I think Richard Nixon was a great President and a great man. I'd recommend reading Nixon: A Life by Aitken.

[BearSox]

I know this speech wasn't made by a president, but one of my all time favorite speeches was Gen. Douglas Macarthur's farewell speech (the one to congress, not westpoint)... "old soldiers never die, they just fade away."

[lostfan]

I know this speech wasn't made by a president, but one of my all time favorite speeches was Gen. Douglas Macarthur's farewell speech (the one to congress, not westpoint)... "old soldiers never die, they just fade away."

Well speaking of speeches by generals how bout Patton's "no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country, he won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his."

 

Seriously we need to exhume his corpse, resurrect him, and clone him a few times.

Edited April 11, 2008 by lostfan

[southsider2k5]

My personal favorite of my lifetime is Reagans speech after the Space Shuttle Challenge explosion. It was the perfect speech at that moment in time.

[Soxy]

I like Clinton's first inaugural address.

[NorthSideSox72]

In terms of Presidents in my lifetime, Reagan and Clinton were the best speechifiers. They both had a number of very good ones. I agree with the poster who said earlier, the Reagan speech after the Challenger accident - that was perfect. JFK gave some good ones before my lifetime, but honestly, I think his brother Robert was even better.

 

And I know I am going to get reamed for this but, honestly, I thought Obama's speech on race a few weeks back (the one about Wright, etc.) ranks up there with the best Presidential speeches I've seen.

 

[Balta1701]

Can I nominate the speech involving the phrase "Fool me once, shame on...shame on you...10 second pause...fool you can't get fooled again."?

 

Solely from video clips, I have to nominate a couple of speeches by JFK. His Inaugural address and the Moon speech @ Rice university.

[NorthSideSox72]

Can I nominate the speech involving the phrase "Fool me once, shame on...shame on you...10 second pause...fool you can't get fooled again."?

 

Solely from video clips, I have to nominate a couple of speeches by JFK. His Inaugural address and the Moon speech @ Rice university.

RFK > JFK. But yeah, JFK was quite good.

 

[BigSqwert]

Was Lewis Black ever president? He's had a few great speeches.

[Jenksismyhero]

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

 

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

 

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

 

The greatest leader ever, Abraham Lincoln, November 19, 1863

 

(FYI if anyone is interested, I just finished a fascinating book on him. Check out Team of Rivals by Doris Goodwin)

 

 

[NorthSideSox72]

The greatest leader ever, Abraham Lincoln, November 19, 1863

 

(FYI if anyone is interested, I just finished a fascinating book on him. Check out Team of Rivals by Doris Goodwin)

Great book.

 

[max power]

Honestly the only presidents I admire are founding fathers like Jefferson.

[BearSox]

well, talking about presidents we adore... I don't how good of a speaker he was, but Andrew Jackson was a badass.

[NorthSideSox72]

well, talking about presidents we adore... I don't how good of a speaker he was, but Andrew Jackson was a badass.

I'd suggest he was just plain bad.

 

[NorthSideSox72]

Honestly the only presidents I admire are founding fathers like Jefferson.

Max-

 

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[southsider2k5]

I'd suggest he was just plain bad.

 

For singlehandedly destroying the National Bank, I agree 100%.

[NorthSideSox72]

For singlehandedly destroying the National Bank, I agree 100%.

And his policies against the American Indians turned into something quite awful. Lots of pretty words that masked the real law behind it, which allowed tribes and individuals to be sent packing whenever various people or states felt like it, regardless of existing treaties. They were forced into treaties with threat of violence. His policies caused the Trail of Tears.

 

I did agree with him on removing the Electoral College, though.

 

[Reddy]

well, talking about presidents we adore... I don't how good of a speaker he was, but Andrew Jackson was a badass.

 

i agree with you man. love that guy. not necessarily everything he did, damn was he cool.

[BearSox]

i agree with you man. love that guy. not necessarily everything he did, damn was he cool.

If I had to choose which president I would want my back in a fight, it would probably be Jackson... maybe Lincoln, I heard he was actually a very good wrestler.

[Soxy]

If I had to choose which president I would want my back in a fight, it would probably be Jackson... maybe Lincoln, I heard he was actually a very good wrestler.

Yeah, but Teddy Roosevelt and I would win that fight any day of the week.

[Balta1701]

If I had to choose which president I would want my back in a fight, it would probably be Jackson... maybe Lincoln, I heard he was actually a very good wrestler.

Tyler Durden: OK: any historic figure.

Narrator: I'd fight Gandhi.

Tyler Durden: Good answer.

Narrator: How about you?

Tyler Durden: Lincoln.

Narrator: Lincoln?

Tyler Durden: Big guy, big reach. Skinny guys fight 'til they're burger.