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QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Apr 16, 2008 -> 07:56 PM)
And Lou Dobbs is already attacking him for saying we should treat our immigrants (legal and illegal) better.

Dude it's the pope! Lay off man. I'm Lutheran and technically we believe he is the anti-christ, but even i think he's a holy man.

I must have missed that day in Theology class.

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QUOTE (Soxy @ Apr 17, 2008 -> 01:44 PM)
I must have missed that day in Theology class.

It's not a, well, commonly known thing and I think if you asked most Lutherans they would disagree. Hell, i didnt even know he was the "anti-Christ" until my wife, who was raised methodist, was reading up on the lutheran faith before becoming a member of my church and she told me! And I am a life long Lutheran. Went to Lutheran school preschool-8th grade and work at a Lutheran church.

 

Here is the link:

http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=12503

The LCMS does not teach, nor has it ever taught, that any individual Pope as a person, is to be identified with the Antichrist. The historic view of LCMS on the Antichrist is summarized as follows by the Synod's Theological Commission.... we affirm the Lutheran Confessions' identification of the Antichrist with the office of the papacy whose official claims continue to correspond to the Scriptural marks listed above. It is important, however, that we observe the distinction which the Lutheran Confessors made between the office of the pope (papacy) and the individual men who fill that office. The latter could be Christians themselves. We do not presume to judge any person's heart.
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QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Apr 17, 2008 -> 07:53 PM)
It's not a, well, commonly known thing and I think if you asked most Lutherans they would disagree. Hell, i didnt even know he was the "anti-Christ" until my wife, who was raised methodist, was reading up on the lutheran faith before becoming a member of my church and she told me! And I am a life long Lutheran. Went to Lutheran school preschool-8th grade and work at a Lutheran church.

 

Here is the link:

http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=12503

Ah, I see. Missouri Synod. I don't think the ELCA has a similar view on the pope.

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QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Apr 17, 2008 -> 08:33 PM)
I have no idea. I dont really care. i think he is a great man.

 

He was an interim pick by the College of Cardinals, old enough that he shouldn't ave to long a reign, and a JPII right hand guy that knows his way around the Vatican. His biggest challenge is going to be getting Europe to return to fundamental Christian values, and that was a losing proposition even for JPII. His bulldog defense of traditional Catholic doctrine and values is going to rub most modrn Catholics the wrong way, imo, and the mass exodus from the Church is likely to continue more or less unchecked.

 

He's a scholarly theologian for sure, and he was part of the theological consulate for Vatican II. But I don't see him as energizing the Church a whole lot.

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