GreatScott82 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Listening to him on the Score right now. He mentioned that he talked to his buddy MacPhail from Baltamore and he said he stil believes Roberts will be dealt. He said MacPhail is in no hurry to trade his main attraction. However, if the right trade came along before the All-star break he wont hesistate to pull the trigger. He said if the Sox do trade for him it will have to be contingent on the Sox re-signing Crede during the 1st half ot the season. Meaning they can have the luxory of dealing Fields for Roberts. Thats a real stretch. To have Crede re-sign with the Sox before the ASB & to aquire Roberts. Im okay with the team the way it is now, but if we are in desperate mode for a true leadoff hitter come July than im for it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Apr 17, 2008 -> 11:19 AM) Listening to him on the Score right now. He mentioned that he talked to his buddy MacPhail from Baltamore and he said he stil believes Roberts will be dealt. He said MacPhail is in no hurry to trade his main attraction. However, if the right trade came along before the All-star break he wont hesistate to pull the trigger. He said if the Sox do trade for him it will have to be contingent on the Sox re-signing Crede during the 1st half ot the season. Meaning they can have the luxory of dealing Fields for Roberts. Thats a real stretch. To have Crede re-sign with the Sox before the ASB & to aquire Roberts. Im okay with the team the way it is now, but if we are in desperate mode for a true leadoff hitter come July than im for it! Thanks for passing this along. I'm all in favor of re-signing Crede and trading Fields, but only under the circumstances that we trade him for a pre-arbitration player or prospects. Roberts is making $6.3 million this season and $9 million next season, and will undoubtedly be looking to cash in once he reaches free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 I really don't care for Roberts and hope someone else ends up with him. We've got guys coming up that can take over for Juan next year (and even this year if need be). I certainly wouldn't give up Fields for him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted April 17, 2008 Author Share Posted April 17, 2008 QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 17, 2008 -> 10:27 AM) Thanks for passing this along. I'm all in favor of re-signing Crede and trading Fields, but only under the circumstances that we trade him for a pre-arbitration player or prospects. Roberts is making $6.3 million this season and $9 million next season, and will undoubtedly be looking to cash in once he reaches free agency. Well you figure you can disperse that money that you would have spent on Hunter to extensions for Cabrera and Roberts. You also have to take into consideration that Thome will likely retire after this season- so you can use that money on re-signing Crede. Kenny usually finds ways to make something like this work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Apr 17, 2008 -> 11:32 AM) Well you figure you can disperse that money that you would have spent on Hunter to extensions for Cabrera and Roberts. You also have to take into consideration that Thome will likely retire after this season- so you can use that money on re-signing Crede. Kenny usually finds ways to make something like this work. Well, to be honest with you, there is no vault in the bank of $75 million that was set aside to bring in Torii Hunter. Additionally, we don't know what moves Kenny would have made had he signed Hunter. Would he have been able to go out and sign both Linebrink AND Dotel? We know he wouldn't have acquired Swisher... Would he have had to deal Crede and Uribe to lose the close to $10 million in salaries they are getting? Probably. So in my opinion, the Hunter money is not really available anymore. As for extending Roberts, we've got to worry about extending Joe if we trade Fields to acquire Roberts. Than you've got the issue of what to do with OC as well. I'm not sure it would be possible for next year unless another corresponding move was made to ditch some significant salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 I know Fields switching to 1st has been beaten to death, but if Thome leaves, and Crede somehow does stay, how else would we reasonably facilitate everyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Brian Roberts would literally be the perfect link for this offense right now but imo we'd probably have to give up way to much for him. And by that, I mean Josh Fields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 (edited) If I were a GM, I would have a policy: give all former steroid guys one full season off the juice before making any long term decisions on their future impact. EDIT: In other words, don't trade for Roberts until you see a full season's production sans steroids. Edited April 17, 2008 by AddisonStSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 QUOTE (AddisonStSox @ Apr 17, 2008 -> 10:25 AM) If I were a GM, I would have a policy: give all former steroid guys one full season off the juice before making any long term decisions on their future impact. Yeah, I don't really want Roberts either. And I wasn't aware that Stoney and McFail are still buddies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Oh Cubs fans would be PISSED! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 roberts cabrera thome konerko swisher dye AJ crede quentin? uh yeah sign me up for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 I don't want it to happen and lucky for me, it won't. I'd rather see us go at it next year with fields and richar, saving the money that would be spent on crede to make a more substantial splash in the free agent market. If they traded fields for a half season of roberts it would be really stupid. I can't believe stone hinted at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 QUOTE (max power @ Apr 17, 2008 -> 12:01 PM) I don't want it to happen and lucky for me, it won't. I'd rather see us go at it next year with fields and richar, saving the money that would be spent on crede to make a more substantial splash in the free agent market. If they traded fields for a half season of roberts it would be really stupid. I can't believe stone hinted at that. Roberts is signed for next season as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 I'd give up Fields for him with no hesitation if we also have a resigned Crede. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Apr 17, 2008 -> 10:09 AM) I'd give up Fields for him with no hesitation if we also have a resigned Crede. Then by definition, you're not trading Fields for him until next offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjshoe04 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 I would like to get Roberts, but there is no way that I would give up Fields for him. He's a good player, pretty solid OBP, but I still think we should go with Swisher leading off and don't see any reason to give up our best prospect for a second baseman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Apr 17, 2008 -> 01:09 PM) I'd give up Fields for him with no hesitation if we also have a resigned Crede. I like Fields being DH/1B next season. Roberts would be nice, but i really like this lineup as it is. Swisher is doing an amazing job at leadoff. Not his "ideal" spot, but he's doing great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Apr 17, 2008 -> 10:04 AM) Brian Roberts would literally be the perfect link for this offense right now but imo we'd probably have to give up way to much for him. And by that, I mean Josh Fields. I rip on Fields a bit more than most (although I am fully aware of his upside which power wise, he could be a legit middle of the order bat) but there is absolutely no way I'd trade Fields for anything less than a superstar/impact guy (Fields alone wouldn't be enough) or a high upside young player (ie, Linnecum/Cain/etc). Not for a 2nd baseman on the wrong side of 30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 I would find this trade idea more plausible if Uribe was included in it. Fields is possible trade bait too and I would like to see Crede re-signed. But, I don't see this trade happening based on contract issues and talent to move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Apr 17, 2008 -> 01:20 PM) I rip on Fields a bit more than most (although I am fully aware of his upside which power wise, he could be a legit middle of the order bat) but there is absolutely no way I'd trade Fields for anything less than a superstar/impact guy (Fields alone wouldn't be enough) or a high upside young player (ie, Linnecum/Cain/etc). Not for a 2nd baseman on the wrong side of 30. I really like Josh but I'd trade him for a young high upside starting pitcher(so basically what you said) but that's it. Edited April 17, 2008 by Rowand44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the People's Champ Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 The only reason the Sox would trade for Roberts is if they thought he gave us the best chance to win the World Series THIS YEAR. And if they think that is the case then they should do whatever it takes to make it happen, if it means trading Fields, Anderson, whatever. As thin as our farm system is now is the time to get it done, I don't care about next year or the year after that. Tomorrow isn't guaranteed anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Ugh. I am all for acquiring Brian Roberts, but I think it's absolutely ridiculous to even think about including Fields in a deal for him. And if you trade Fields for him, you are then required to either get another 3B or resign Crede. You resign Crede and then you likely have $50+ million tied up with a 3B over 30 with a sketchy back and another season of a good, but not fantastic, 2B at $9 mill. I really don't think that does anything for the future of the organization. If KW traded Fields for Roberts, I'd probably cry, because I would see that as another Chris Young for Javier Vazquez type deal, where, sure, the return you get is good for you, but hanging on to the prospect would save you so much money and trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 17, 2008 -> 02:27 PM) If KW traded Fields for Roberts, I'd probably cry, because I would see that as another Chris Young for Javier Vazquez type deal, where, sure, the return you get is good for you, but hanging on to the prospect would save you so much money and trouble. And what would be your reaction if we made that deal and won the World Series this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 17, 2008 -> 03:29 PM) And what would be your reaction if we made that deal and won the World Series this year? Different kind of crying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 17, 2008 -> 03:29 PM) And what would be your reaction if we made that deal and won the World Series this year? That's a loaded question if I've ever seen one. I won't answer it. It also doesn't change the fact that trading Fields for Brian Roberts ties up, roughly, $19 mill next year between 2B and 3B and puts the Sox into a hell of a risky contract with Crede. What's the future of the Sox look like? I see more of what happened in the offseason of 2006, minus the Vazquez and Thome deals (because the Vazquez deal already was made) and I could see that turning into 2007 all over again really fast. I'd say wait about 2-3 months before you even think about either trading for Roberts or trading Fields, unless the package doesn't include Fields. Fields is the only impact position prospect the White Sox have in the upper minors right now...you don't move that for a 30 year old 2Bman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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