lostfan Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Obama is on CNN talking about the 20 billion in Wall Street bonuses sounding all pissed off (well as close to pissed off as he ever sounds). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jan 29, 2009 -> 03:12 PM) Obama is on CNN talking about the 20 billion in Wall Street bonuses sounding all pissed off (well as close to pissed off as he ever sounds). Well BO, then maybe, just maybe, y'all should have thought about that before you passed the bill giving them $350 billion no-strings-attached. You were in the Senate at the time. You were the nominee at the time. (Although, on second thought, maybe having a President who actually reads the morning newspapers like the Wall Street Journal, and then actually reacts to their content, maybe there is something to be said for that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 29, 2009 -> 05:24 PM) Well BO, then maybe, just maybe, y'all should have thought about that before you passed the bill giving them $350 billion no-strings-attached. You were in the Senate at the time. You were the nominee at the time. (Although, on second thought, maybe having a President who actually reads the morning newspapers like the Wall Street Journal, and then actually reacts to their content, maybe there is something to be said for that). Just give them another trillion in bailouts. That'll fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jan 29, 2009 -> 05:12 PM) Obama is on CNN talking about the 20 billion in Wall Street bonuses sounding all pissed off (well as close to pissed off as he ever sounds). Nice act job. He doesn't give a s***. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jan 29, 2009 -> 05:12 PM) Obama is on CNN talking about the 20 billion in Wall Street bonuses sounding all pissed off (well as close to pissed off as he ever sounds). Why should he care? He just handed out 820 billion in bonuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 29, 2009 -> 08:03 PM) Why should he care? He just handed out 820 billion in bonuses. It was administered horribly. That's partially Congress's fault for not attaching more strings, and the Paulson crew for not knowing what the hell they were doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jan 29, 2009 -> 07:06 PM) It was administered horribly. That's partially Congress's fault for not attaching more strings, and the Paulson crew for not knowing what the hell they were doing. Then again maybe Wall Street should just start calling it a stimulus plan. You seem to be able to get away with anything if you do it in that vein. How about the Dow Jones Industrial Stimulus plan! With all of the retirement money out there, we should be able to get a couple of trillion dollars for that right, because it is definitely too big to fail! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 29, 2009 -> 08:09 PM) Then again maybe Wall Street should just start calling it a stimulus plan. You seem to be able to get away with anything if you do it in that vein. How about the Dow Jones Industrial Stimulus plan! With all of the retirement money out there, we should be able to get a couple of trillion dollars for that right, because it is definitely too big to fail! I'm going to go run up a couple billion dollars of debt actually, are you on board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jan 29, 2009 -> 07:14 PM) I'm going to go run up a couple billion dollars of debt actually, are you on board? if the government throws me a few $ million, i promise i'll spend it all and that should help the economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jan 29, 2009 -> 07:14 PM) I'm going to go run up a couple billion dollars of debt actually, are you on board? As long as there are stock options and a big buyout clause, I will be your CEO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jan 29, 2009 -> 05:06 PM) It was administered horribly. That's partially Congress's fault for not attaching more strings, and the Paulson crew for not knowing what the hell they were doing. Perhaps the President should take note of the fact that 2 weeks ago, the House passed, on a near party line vote again (guess which party was opposed) a major retroactive overhaul of the TARP program which would include a mandate that the funds be withdrawn from any company giving out bonuses above a certain level. That legislation has not even been taken up by the Senate. So, Mr. President, Senator Dodd (who the President tasked with finding a way to fix this problem)...the legislation is already written and past the other house of Congress. Care to put some backing behind your words? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cknolls Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Well, new admin. still fudging numbers. Good to see, consistency is good. GDP, a joke. Not good even though "they" say it beat expectations. GDP = consumption + gross investment + (exports-imports). Durable goods were down 22.4%, non-durables down 7.1%. Exports down 19.7%(Global Depression?) Why the upside surprise?.......Federal Spending rose 5.8% Another positive "surprise" was that inventories rose. Just what we need, right, more stuff on the shelves going unsold in a Recssion/Depression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cknolls Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 29, 2009 -> 07:03 PM) Why should he care? He just handed out 820 billion in bonuses. My tally has Obama at 1.170 trillion so far. Remember he got the second 350 from the TARP. Not bad for ten days work. Edited January 30, 2009 by Cknolls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 QUOTE (Cknolls @ Jan 30, 2009 -> 08:54 AM) Well, new admin. still fudging numbers. Good to see, consistency is good. GDP, a joke. Not good even though "they" say it beat expectations. GDP = consumption + gross investment + (exports-imports). Durable goods were down 22.4%, non-durables down 7.1%. Exports down 19.7%(Global Depression?) Why the upside surprise?.......Federal Spending rose 5.8% Another positive "surprise" was that inventories rose. Just what we need, right, more stuff on the shelves going unsold in a Recssion/Depression. Exports are down because of the large dollar rally in the last quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubano Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I am the one to blame for the Housing mess. Barney Frank and CO. How in the world these great minds get away with this? Are they still in Congress? What a fraud! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubano Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 The USA economy has endure a dozen a so recessions, a Drepession, several wars including two major wars. Do not bet against the USA. I am putting my money in the USA stocks. Talk to me in 5 years. Once the Financials become the leader again, the next Bull Market will begin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubano Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 30, 2009 -> 11:38 AM) Exports are down because of the large dollar rally in the last quarter. Yes. The European were not lowering rates while we were. Now, they are playing catch up. They failed to act quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 QUOTE (Cubano @ Jan 30, 2009 -> 11:11 AM) Once the Financials become the leader again, the next Bull Market will begin. What does this even mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jan 30, 2009 -> 09:14 AM) What does this even mean? That we need another bubble, because thanks to the offshoring of manufacturing and the destruction of the middle class, financial wizardry allowing people to dump their losses on to the government while taking the profits home with them is the only thing that is capable of running the country. It's how the finance industry grew to somehow be well over 10% of the economy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubano Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 30, 2009 -> 12:18 PM) That we need another bubble, because thanks to the offshoring of manufacturing and the destruction of the middle class, financial wizardry allowing people to dump their losses on to the government while taking the profits home with them is the only thing that is capable of running the country. It's how the finance industry grew to somehow be well over 10% of the economy I guess all the blame goes against the banks. The regulators are not to blame nor the people. I said let the banks fails. Let the people forclosure their homes. Let the car makers fail. This is Capitalism not Socialism. The survival of the fittest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubano Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jan 30, 2009 -> 12:14 PM) What does this even mean? Without the leadership of the banks, the Stock Market won't go anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 QUOTE (Cubano @ Jan 30, 2009 -> 09:27 AM) Without the leadership of the banks, the Stock Market won't go anywhere. The Stock Market is not the economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cknolls Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Time for some more good news: According to Bloomberg: Four banks in the Federal Home Loan Bank system have suspened dividends: Pittsburgh, Seattle San Francisco and now Atlanta. Contagion is spreading. Crisis is growing. A bailout will do nothing but kill Treasuries. Last night Moody's downgraded 1893 Alt-A tranches. Many went from AAA to CCC. Alt-A is likely our next BIG problem, which could pose a problem for WFC, who inhaled $130 billion worth of Alt-A with the WB purchase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 30, 2009 Author Share Posted January 30, 2009 QUOTE (Cknolls @ Jan 30, 2009 -> 12:35 PM) Time for some more good news: According to Bloomberg: Four banks in the Federal Home Loan Bank system have suspened dividends: Pittsburgh, Seattle San Francisco and now Atlanta. Contagion is spreading. Crisis is growing. A bailout will do nothing but kill Treasuries. Last night Moody's downgraded 1893 Alt-A tranches. Many went from AAA to CCC. Alt-A is likely our next BIG problem, which could pose a problem for WFC, who inhaled $130 billion worth of Alt-A with the WB purchase. I don't think this is what I'd call a "contagion" anymore. I think we passed that point. What we are seeing now is the deepening of symptoms as a result of the disease. Still plenty of rough spots ahead though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cknolls Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Watch the Transport Index. If it can break the 2900-50 level it will crater. No support for 1000 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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