All Things Pro-Obama

[HuskyCaucasian]

[SoxFan562004]

i do not understand this poll that you post, according to Hill, Obama can't beat mccain

Edited May 30, 2008 by SoxFan562004

[BigSqwert]

As many have already stated, these polls are dumb since they don't have a lot of other key potential Veeps. And once again, who cares what polls look like 6 months before an election? Kerry was on his way to a landslide win around this time in 2004.

[lostfan]

Its funny, it looks to me like their recent tactic has been to play both sides of that fence. They run articles saying its over, and they start to focus on Obama v McCain... but at the same time, their pundits will talk about how Puerto Rico is Clinton's last chance. She still has a chance?

IMO her last chance was really Texas and Ohio but the Hillary camp spun that into a major victory and the media ran with that. Granted, she DID win both states and snapped Obama's winning streak, but those were both supposed to be blowouts for her only a couple weeks before, and she lost a lot of ground to Obama in a short amount of time and made the delegate math really difficult for her to overcome. After that everything else was just a formality.

[NorthSideSox72]

IMO her last chance was really Texas and Ohio but the Hillary camp spun that into a major victory and the media ran with that. Granted, she DID win both states and snapped Obama's winning streak, but those were both supposed to be blowouts for her only a couple weeks before, and she lost a lot of ground to Obama in a short amount of time and made the delegate math really difficult for her to overcome. After that everything else was just a formality.

Actually, she lost Texas, it later turned out.

 

[kapkomet]

Actually, she lost Texas, it later turned out.

And that wasn't widely reported - now why is that? The press coverage of all of this has been so strange - and fickle.

[lostfan]

Actually, she lost Texas, it later turned out.

Good call... he picked up more delegates, that's all that really mattered in the big picture.

[HuskyCaucasian]

Obama just "resigned membership" from Trinity United Church.

[bmags]

good timing.

[lostfan]

I wish he didn't do that. It adds validity to the BS argument that the church spewed hate for 20 years and it's obvious he's caving in to pressure. Him staying in the church would allow him to say "you guys' characterization of my church is wrong." Now he loses that and comes out looking like a pussy.

[bmags]

Yeah but that's if you were talking with educated voters, but most are stupid.

[HuskyCaucasian]

Hillary Clinton to be offered dignified exit

Hillary Clinton will be offered a dignified exit from the presidential race and the prospect of a place in Barack Obama's cabinet under plans for a "negotiated surrender" of her White House ambitions being drawn up by Senator Obama's aides.

 

The former First Lady would get the chance to pilot Mr Obama’s reforms of the American healthcare system if she agrees to clear the path to his nomination as Democratic presidential candidate.

 

[lostfan]

Yeah but that's if you were talking with educated voters, but most are stupid.

Agreed

[kapkomet]

Hillary Clinton to be offered dignified exit

That is the stupidest thing she could and HE could possibly do. Hillary leading healthcare reforms? We see how that worked the last time.

[southsider2k5]

I wish he didn't do that. It adds validity to the BS argument that the church spewed hate for 20 years and it's obvious he's caving in to pressure. Him staying in the church would allow him to say "you guys' characterization of my church is wrong." Now he loses that and comes out looking like a pussy.

 

And in the big picture is really looks bad when you contrast it with a guy who has called the leadership of the church his friends for decades, but now he is willing to drop them because of political pressures? Especailly when you add in this is the guy who makes a big deal out of being willing to talk to our enemies? Its pretty two faced if you ask me. More politics as usual.

[Texsox]

This was a no win situation. As far as calling someone a friend for twenty years, we've all had friends who change, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. Saying good bye to an old friend is difficult, but sometimes it just has to happen. You want to give that friend every benefit of the doubt, and perhaps the error is to hang on too long. Seems like a very human response on his part.

 

Of course what this really shows is why McCain would be a better President

[kapkomet]

And in the big picture is really looks bad when you contrast it with a guy who has called the leadership of the church his friends for decades, but now he is willing to drop them because of political pressures? Especailly when you add in this is the guy who makes a big deal out of being willing to talk to our enemies? Its pretty two faced if you ask me. More politics as usual.

If you can't stand out of the heat, get out of the kitchen? Hmmm...

 

[southsider2k5]

This was a no win situation. As far as calling someone a friend for twenty years, we've all had friends who change, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. Saying good bye to an old friend is difficult, but sometimes it just has to happen. You want to give that friend every benefit of the doubt, and perhaps the error is to hang on too long. Seems like a very human response on his part.

 

Of course what this really shows is why McCain would be a better President

Hang on too long? I thought he never heard any of the questionable sermons? Sounds more like he is ditching this as quick as possible according to Obama's recallection of things.

[Texsox]

Hang on too long? I thought he never heard any of the questionable sermons? Sounds more like he is ditching this as quick as possible according to Obama's recallection of things.

 

I thought much of this was brought up over the past 4 months or so. Big events become mile stones in relationships. Think of the friendships that were torn apart with the Vietnam draft and protests. And we change. I had friends in college who were still into the partying scene ten years later. Basically we stopped calling each other, our interests had changed. People change Churches. When Fr. Jerry moved from Holy Spirit Parish down here, attendance dipped.

 

But I'm not discounting the political realities of the situation. But that works two ways. Friends and associates of candidates suddenly have a wider audience then ever before. If they suddenly start making statements that the candidate doesn't agree with, the candidate should sever ties.

 

I'm just pointing out this is a very human situation that most of us have faced in our lives. We change, friends change, and friendships are lost. Hell, couples divirce after twenty plus years.

[kapkomet]

I thought much of this was brought up over the past 4 months or so. Big events become mile stones in relationships. Think of the friendships that were torn apart with the Vietnam draft and protests. And we change. I had friends in college who were still into the partying scene ten years later. Basically we stopped calling each other, our interests had changed. People change Churches. When Fr. Jerry moved from Holy Spirit Parish down here, attendance dipped.

 

But I'm not discounting the political realities of the situation. But that works two ways. Friends and associates of candidates suddenly have a wider audience then ever before. If they suddenly start making statements that the candidate doesn't agree with, the candidate should sever ties.

 

I'm just pointing out this is a very human situation that most of us have faced in our lives. We change, friends change, and friendships are lost. Hell, couples divirce after twenty plus years.

Obama would not have left if he weren't running for president, IMO, and that's what makes this a story.

[lostfan]

Hang on too long? I thought he never heard any of the questionable sermons? Sounds more like he is ditching this as quick as possible according to Obama's recallection of things.

He said he heard the questionable sermons, he also said it was impossible to separate them from everything positive, which probably 95% of it was. To me that's plausible, but now when you just back out like this it's a little on the spineless side IMO, after taking so much effort to look like a leader it just seems like he's giving up.

[BigSqwert]

Obama would not have left if he weren't running for president, IMO, and that's what makes this a story.

And if you were in his shoes you would do what exactly?

[Texsox]

Obama would not have left if he weren't running for president, IMO, and that's what makes this a story.

 

I would expect anyone running for President to make a lot of changes, and even more after being elected. I do not agree with 100% of what I hear in my Church. Staying is a luxury I have because no one would scrutinize every word of every sermon and try to hang that on me. I do not know of any couples where they agree 100% on everything, why should any other human relationship be different?

 

At what point do you leave? If you have friends in the Church, you are involved with some of the programs, etc. and hear one thing you disagree with, do you run out the door? Two things? Ten? I don't know. It's like the frog and the hot water. You put a frog in hot water and he jumps out. Put the frog in warm water and gradually turn up the heat, and he stays. So Obama stays, then events in his life, needing for everything to "look" right and be explained in a 30 second sound byte, takes over and he leaves.

[kapkomet]

And if you were in his shoes you would do what exactly?

Do you understand why I say what I did?

 

He's heard "questionable" things at his church. Ok, but now that those "questionable things" have been aired out, suddenly, he's uncomfortable associating with them after 20 years? It's a double standard and hypocritical.

 

To be fair, he's darned if he does and darned if he doesn't. But, I'm pretty sure that "white people" aren't exactly welcomed with open arms at UTC. It's a shame that this is so much of an issue, but at the same time, I think the character of Obama comes in to play with all of this - it's the people he associates most with, whether you like it or not. You are "friends" with people you think alike with - not all encompassing, but mostly. You identify with people at a church, most of the time. It's a reference point, but not an end all, be all. And that reference point is important.

[EvilMonkey]

He said he heard the questionable sermons, he also said it was impossible to separate them from everything positive, which probably 95% of it was. To me that's plausible, but now when you just back out like this it's a little on the spineless side IMO, after taking so much effort to look like a leader it just seems like he's giving up.

So, it's ok if someone is only 5% racist? Certain things you can seperate out.