4/29 - SOX @ MIN, 7:10 CT, WCIU

[TheBigHurt]

Hey, I hate losing a game just as much as anyone else, especially when certain annoying factors that shouldn't happen flood in, but Jesus Christ. EVERY damn game that we lose means someone has to be overrated, sent down, benched, or fired. Everytime PK slumps, you people b****, then he finishes the season with 30+ homers and 80+ RBIs. Most of you seem to never learn anything. And even so, things happen and are gonna happen. The Sox are still a good team, they are still in first place, the world is still spinning on its axis. Jesus Christ people, calm down.

 

And to think I hear so much complaining about CUBS fans...

Edited April 30, 2008 by TheBigHurt

[Soxpranos]

Yeah, who needs numbers for evidence, lets just examine a close loss for all the data we need......

You and your OPS, now if we had a Manny like hitter at the number 3 or 4 hole than yes, you can argue that this offense is one of the best. Damn OPS has not done crap the last 2 games, but hey, were an offensive juggernaut.

Edited April 30, 2008 by Soxpranos

[RockRaines]

thank you.

for him trying to prove a point you cant? OPS is much more indicative of a good offense, runs score is a good offense, batting avg doesnt have nearly as much correlation.

[lostfan]

Yeah, every time this team loses red flags are waving, we should NEVER lose.

Come on now, don't give me that fanboy comeback, it makes it difficult to reply with anything intelligent. "The best offense in baseball" does not get blanked every other game, does not consistently choke with RISP, does not rely solely on SLG%. Sure, this team has really good starting pitching, and sure, this team scores a lot of runs... but the runs come all at the same time, all against the same pitchers. This is not anything new.

[fathom]

You and your OPS, now if we had a Manny like hitter at the number 3 or 4 hole than yes, you can argue that this offense is one of the best. Damn OPS has not done crap the last 2 games, but hey, were an offensive juggernaut.

[frankie5angels]

Think about it this way....we've only had 2 or 3 offensive players hot at the same time this whole season. If our starting pitching struggled out of the gates, we could be 5 games below .500. I'll gladly take where our record is at, and hope the offense turns it around.

We said this all year last year. I don't know about you, but I am sick of waiting for this f***ing offense to show up and hit.

[RockRaines]

You and your OPS, now if we had a Manny like hitter at the number 3 or 4 hole than yes, you can argue that this offense is one of the best. Damn OPS has not done crap the last 2 games, but hey, were an offensive juggernaut.

Ah the ol 2 game sample, nice work. Continue to not make a point and post out of emotion of a loss instead of actual facts.

[jasonxctf]

for him trying to prove a point you cant? OPS is much more indicative of a good offense, runs score is a good offense, batting avg doesnt have nearly as much correlation.

 

 

i forgot, your "expert" opinion is the only one who matters here.. sorry.

[WilliamTell]

Ballgame over.

 

We're 0-11 in those 42 other ones as of now...

 

The game that we beat the Twins with Crede's Grand Slam I thought we stole that win. So I'd say 1-11 for sure, there might even be others out there I just can't remember them. But for now I'll go with 1-11-1 since the Baltimore game isn't done yet.

[Soxpranos]

i forgot, your "expert" opinion is the only one who matters here.. sorry.

If you can call it that, hey he has an OPS degree .

[Wanne]

Let's bounce back tomorrow. I swear though...this team make Bonser look like a perennial all-star every year.

On a side note (having the Suns on now and pic in pic)...Tim Duncan is THE BIGGEST whiniest puss in all of basketball. I'd love to see Shaq just rip his friggin head off.

[RockRaines]

i forgot, your "expert" opinion is the only one who matters here.. sorry.

Well if you used actual facts instead of your opinion it would make more sense.

[jasonxctf]

Maybe a minor shakeup works???

 

1. Swisher

2. Cabrera

3. Thome

4. Konerko

5. Quentin

6. Crede

7. Dye

8. AJ

9. Uribe

[jasonxctf]

Well if you used actual facts instead of your opinion it would make more sense.

 

like the actual fact, that the Sox have the worst batting average in the AL?

[southsideirish71]

for him trying to prove a point you cant? OPS is much more indicative of a good offense, runs score is a good offense, batting avg doesnt have nearly as much correlation.

 

Show me a team that was near last in BA that went to the playoffs in the AL. Our team outside of 07 and 05 has been in the top 5 in OPS since 01.

 

 

 

 

[Harry Chappas]

The problem isn't losing it is the way the offense simply disappears and not only gives away at-bats but they give away entire games. There have been 5 games this year where they had no chance at all of winning the game and the pitchers were not that good.

 

Tonight

Oakland Monday game

Detroit bullpen game

Sonnenstine

1st game Saturday

 

No chance at all in any of those games.

 

The lack of situational hitting has cost another 3 or 4 games (ie. yesterday).

 

 

This rotation is getting absolutely f***ed right now.

 

This team should have maybe 7 losses right now tops. When the schedule gets tough they better not b**** because pissing away these games will haunt them....or maybe they just are not that good.

[Soxpranos]

Well if you used actual facts instead of your opinion it would make more sense.

 

What is your fact trying to state? That with our pitching and the OPS we hold, we should breeze into the fall classic?

[frankie5angels]

We all are.

 

However, there are ways to "shake the team up" without actually making it worse. I just can't stand the Jerry Owens argument for the lead off spot. Whats funny about all of this is the reason most are saying Swisher isn't a real lead off hitter is because Thome and Kong haven't been themselves at the plate this season. If they were driving our 1-2 in, Swisher wouldn't be an issue to people(he shouldn't be to begin with).

 

 

The number one goal for a leadoff hitter is to get on base. There is no getting around it. Swisher does that better than anyone else the Sox could put in the leadoff spot. Case closed.

I'm a big believer in having a prototypical leadoff hitter to win in baseball. You have to be able to manufacture runs, and this team is incapable to that.

[Wanne]

We all are.

 

However, there are ways to "shake the team up" without actually making it worse. I just can't stand the Jerry Owens argument for the lead off spot. Whats funny about all of this is the reason most are saying Swisher isn't a real lead off hitter is because Thome and Kong haven't been themselves at the plate this season. If they were driving our 1-2 in, Swisher wouldn't be an issue to people(he shouldn't be to begin with).

 

 

The number one goal for a leadoff hitter is to get on base. There is no getting around it. Swisher does that better than anyone else the Sox could put in the leadoff spot. Case closed.

 

Agreed. He's been in a mini-slump it seems the past couple of games...but he'll be fine. I love the "sky is falling" mentality around here sometimes. It's actually pretty entertaining.

[RockRaines]

Come on now, don't give me that fanboy comeback, it makes it difficult to reply with anything intelligent. "The best offense in baseball" does not get blanked every other game, does not consistently choke with RISP, does not rely solely on SLG%. Sure, this team has really good starting pitching, and sure, this team scores a lot of runs... but the runs come all at the same time, all against the same pitchers. This is not anything new.

HAHAHA you are awful. Constantly choking huh? We are 5th in the MLB in avg with runners in scoring position. SLG .498 with them in scoring position leading the MLB. WHERE IS THE CHOKING???

Edited April 30, 2008 by RockRaines

[Soxpranos]

Gore had more votes than Busch and still lost... actual fact. Busch must of had a higher OPS.

[WilliamTell]

Swisher needs to get going if he's going to be the leadoff hitter. His success is even more important than I could've imagined.

[jasonxctf]

Unlike many other statistics, a player's OPS does not have a simple intrinsic meaning, despite its usefulness as a comparative statistic.

 

One fault of OPS is that it weighs on-base average and slugging percentage equally, although on-base average correlates better with scoring runs. Magnifying this fault is that the numerical parts of OPS are not themselves typically equal (league-average slugging percentages are usually 75-100 points higher than league-average on-base percentages).

 

 

someone else's "opinion" about OPS averages.

[lostfan]

Agreed. He's been in a mini-slump it seems the past couple of games...but he'll be fine. I love the "sky is falling" mentality around here sometimes. It's actually pretty entertaining.

Swisher's actually been great there, mitigated by our useless (for who knows how long) 2-3-4. He's just sucked the last week or so.

[fathom]

The problem isn't losing it is the way the offense simply disappears and not only gives away at-bats but they give away entire games. There have been 5 games this year where they had no chance at all of winning the game and the pitchers were not that good.

 

Tonight

Oakland Monday game

Detroit bullpen game

Sonnenstine

1st game Saturday

 

No chance at all in any of those games.

 

The lack of situational hitting has cost another 3 or 4 games (ie. yesterday).

 

 

This rotation is getting absolutely f***ed right now.

 

This team should have maybe 7 losses right now tops. When the schedule gets tough they better not b**** because pissing away these games will haunt them....or maybe they just are not that good.

 

I like this post a lot....our offense just didn't show up in those games. And in almost all cases, there has been very little in terms of hard outs.