I love Oz partly because he's certifiably mad

[greg775]

Good article by Mark Gonzalez in the Trib for Monday's paper available at http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...1,2071713.story

 

But Oz contradicts himself in his rants. Oz rips the fans for being fickle, blasting the team, a day after he admitted his veterans needed to get their heads out of their asses.

In this Trib story ... it says

 

Guillen couldn’t comprehend the fickleness of Chicago.

“People are panicking,” said Guillen, whose Sox were in first place in the American League Central from April 15 until Saturday night. “Did we play a real bad week? Yes, we did, we stunk. But it wasn’t too long ago that we were — ‘the biggest surprise in baseball, wow, look at the White Sox.’

“All of a sudden, there we go, back to normal. We have to deal with it. (Bleep) it. As long as the 25 guys out there believe we can do it, everyone else, hey ... “

 

 

Good stuf from Oz ripping those with no faith, but then he ends the story with this gem:

 

“I don’t think (general manager) Kenny (Williams) is going to put up with this stuff. If they (players) don’t believe they can do it, well, we’re going to find someone that can do it.”

 

So Oz admits the team is stinking yet gets mad at the fans for thinking the team is stinking.

 

I love Oz and his rants. But he's crazy, you have to admit.

 

[knightni]

Hey, consumers who purchase our product and have complaints! Instead of using consumer complaints to improve our product like most businesses do, we're sending out our factory foreman to insult you and tell you how stupid you are! This is our way of keeping you coming back and buying our flawed product!

 

Makes good business sense to me.

[Dick Allen]

“I don’t think (general manager) Kenny (Williams) is going to put up with this stuff. If they (players) don’t believe they can do it, well, we’re going to find someone that can do it.

 

Haven't we heard this one before? Won't KW just consult with Konerko and Thome and feel the roster is fine? They will hit better than they are right now. The question is will they continue to pitch as well ? If they do, they will have a chance. If they don't maybe KW will finally see the light and break up the core. It didn't work the last half of 2006, KW said they could play any worse and they won 90 games. They did play worse in 2007 and lost 90 games. Then he expects every player to exceed their 2007 results in 2008. I don't think that's very realistic.

[fathom]

I really like the Sun Times article where he says the Sox are Chicago's b****.

[Steve9347]

“I don’t think (general manager) Kenny (Williams) is going to put up with this stuff. If they (players) don’t believe they can do it, well, we’re going to find someone that can do it.

 

Haven't we heard this one before? Won't KW just consult with Konerko and Thome and feel the roster is fine? They will hit better than they are right now.

Just like last year.

[False Alarm]

Hey, consumers who purchase our product and have complaints! Instead of using consumer complaints to improve our product like most businesses do, we're sending out our factory foreman to insult you and tell you how stupid you are! This is our way of keeping you coming back and buying our flawed product!

 

Makes good business sense to me.

that was insulting to you? are you a pretty sensitive guy? gonna stop goin to the park if ozzie says the fans are fickle one more time?

 

i'm pretty sure ozzie's rants have no effect on business.

 

i do think it'd be hilarious if baseball teams made their on-field and personnel decisions based on customer feedback. i wonder if they'd listen to the cat who wanted to bench quentin.

Edited May 5, 2008 by False Alarm

[knightni]

that was insulting to you? are you a pretty sensitive guy? gonna stop goin to the park if ozzie says the fans are fickle one more time?

 

i'm pretty sure ozzie's rants have no effect on business.

 

i do think it'd be hilarious if baseball teams made their on-field and personnel decisions based on customer feedback. i wonder if they'd listen to the cat who wanted to bench quentin.

 

I think that the offensive part of it to me is that Ozzie feels it necessary to criticize the fans at all for what is essentially the team's problem.

 

If consumers say to Coke, "You guys really need to improve the quality of your product or I will buy from Pepsi." Certainly Coke would make changes if enough people felt that way and stopped buying their product.

 

The White Sox are a business and we are the consumers who keep them in business.

 

If Ozzie can't handle constructive criticism, then he is the one who is too sensitive, not me.

 

 

 

 

[southsideirish71]

Well congrats Ozzie. You made ESPN.

Ozzie's rant.

 

 

[False Alarm]

I think that the offensive part of it to me is that Ozzie feels it necessary to criticize the fans at all for what is essentially the team's problem.

 

If consumers say to Coke, "You guys really need to improve the quality of your product or I will buy from Pepsi." Certainly Coke would make changes if enough people felt that way and stopped buying their product.

 

The White Sox are a business and we are the consumers who keep them in business.

 

If Ozzie can't handle constructive criticism, then he is the one who is too sensitive, not me.

i don't think there's any doubt ozzie's too sensitive.

 

but in the end i guess i just don't think the rants matter much. using your coke-pepsi model, the consumer-feedback forms are just starting to roll in (cuz it's may 5). if coke continues to get bad reviews--ie, if we continue to lose and the fans continue to voice their displeasure and stop showing up--i'm confident there'll be changes this time whether ozzie opens his mouth or not.

[knightni]

"How about the Cubs celebrating that Lee Elia bull[bleep]? How many times do I curse people out? I will make a lot of money with my [stuff]. I have to keep going because in the future Ozzie will need money, and I can say, 'Here, give me money, here's the 10-year anniversary of my time I called [Jay] Mariotti stuff and the time I went on the radio and cursed out Mike North,' " Guillen said.

 

[WCSox]

I think that the offensive part of it to me is that Ozzie feels it necessary to criticize the fans at all for what is essentially the team's problem.

 

If consumers say to Coke, "You guys really need to improve the quality of your product or I will buy from Pepsi." Certainly Coke would make changes if enough people felt that way and stopped buying their product.

 

The White Sox are a business and we are the consumers who keep them in business.

 

If Ozzie can't handle constructive criticism, then he is the one who is too sensitive, not me.

 

Unfortunately, changing the chemical composition of Coke is a lot easier than forcing a bunch of players to hit .300 against major league pitching.

 

It read to me like Ozzie was lashing out at the Chicago media more than the fans. While I don't think that either is a particularly smart thing to do, it's a better option than lashing out at his own players in public (hopefully he's overturned a couple of tables in the clubhouse already). And he's also dead-on correct that the Cubs get a free pass for their long history of sucking and biting it down the stretch in the handfull of years that they actually manage to play decent baseball. I don't fault him for all for pointing that out, especially considering what happened three years ago.

 

Whether this was a calculated motivational move or Ozzie is just nuts, I hope that this rant lights a fire under his team's collective ass.

 

[Dick Allen]

Didn't Ozzie himself say the White Sox were horses*** last season, now he's complaining because they are starting to play the same way and people are calling referring to them the same way now? Its pretty obvious the White Sox oranganization feels they deserve a break from any criticism since they won in 2005. I wonder when they think that protection runs out.

 

I guess I just wonder how this ranting is supposed to make the team play better. I don't understand bringing the Cubs into it. Play the games and win. Play the way you advertised you were going to play. There is no free pass in my mind. I think the fan base is panicking prematurely about a 5 game skid, but so apparently is Ozzie if he feels it necessary for one of these rants.

Edited May 5, 2008 by Dick Allen

[WCSox]

Its pretty obvious the White Sox oranganization feels they deserve a break from any criticism since they won in 2005. I wonder when they think that protection runs out...I don't understand bringing the Cubs into it.

 

If I were in Ozzie's situation, I'd probably be miffed as well that the media is kissing the Cubs' collective butt for also being in second place (in a weaker division, to boot) after they got embarrassed in the playoff last season.

 

That said, I agree that Ozzie needs to shut up. He'd be better served motivating his players behind closed doors than doing it through the media.

 

[elrockinMT]

Granted Ozzie Guillen is not politically correct, but I like him becasue he stands up to what I see is uninformed and in many cases unwarranrted criticism and supports his players. He does call lack of hustle and faith in their potential for what it is and calls out his players on it. But, this is along season and you will go through rough spots. This is one of them, but we are only a game and a half out. We could be three out like the Tigers. The team sticks together and hopefully they will catch a break and or make one soon. We will all be happy again when that happens. Yesterdays game was in my opinion the last indignity that a struggling team should have to suffer. We won that game except for that blown call. But, one could argue that even after the blown call it was up to the team to pull out of it. We almost did with two outs and a 3-2 pitch...

 

Anyway tonight could be the turning point when we win.

Edited May 5, 2008 by elrockinMT

[hi8is]

i love it.

[elrockinMT]

I really like the Sun Times article where he says the Sox are Chicago's b****.

 

 

I thought that was pretty good too. I chuckled a bit I admit

[greg775]

I love Ozzie and his crazy rants but you have to admit not many organizations would put up with the F bombs he throws out there all the time.

In this day and age of political correctness, how many representatives of organizations talk like that in public?

I realize this is baseball and I don't mind the F bombs at all, but it's kind of unique.

He tells the media his veterans need to get their heads out of their asses then gets mad at the fans and media for acting like the team has some holes.

[Steve9347]

Ozzie was funny when his team was winning. I like him. But this isn't the first time he's gone after the fans... you know, those folks who pay his salary.

 

I'm over it. I'm sick of his bulls***. You ask how many "championships" you have to win before we give you a break? How about more than one? How about MAKING THE PLAYOFFS again before you f***ing spout off like a little child. Don't compare yourself nor the team to the Cubs. The Cubs glorify losing, do you WANT that? Do you want your fans to not care whether you win or lose?

 

You are under a more critical scope because people look at you as a real organization. If the Yankees start poorly, even with 27 some odd championships, guess what, people get on them, and a lot worse.

 

One championship was nice, it was great. But since then the team has been on a downward spiral that it's fans are fearful will return. You're 14-15. I don't understand what you expect? Are we supposed to be excited about this? The team is still feast or famine. Why does Ozzie care so much about the Cubs?

[fathom]

Maybe I see things differently, but the Chicago media is very soft on the White Sox. Heck, they were absolutely brutal last year, and there was hardly anyone claiming KW or Ozzie should have lost their job. The Cubs are criticized much more heavily. The other day, Piniella received tons of criticism for not replacing Soriano in LF.

 

Does Ozzie really want to get the spotlight on his managerial decisions. He's made some brutal decisions in the last week, starting with the BA squeeze attempt. Gibbons has managed circles around Ozzie this series. How easy can Ozzie make it for him by never have a PH for one of our batters. Gibbons has been going lefty/lefty righty/righty in the 8th and 9th innings.

[Steve9347]

Maybe I see things differently, but the Chicago media is very soft on the White Sox. Heck, they were absolutely brutal last year, and there was hardly anyone claiming KW or Ozzie should have lost their job. The Cubs are criticized much more heavily. The other day, Piniella received tons of criticism for not replacing Soriano in LF.

 

Does Ozzie really want to get the spotlight on his managerial decisions. He's made some brutal decisions in the last week, starting with the BA squeeze attempt. Gibbons has managed circles around Ozzie this series. How easy can Ozzie make it for him by never have a PH for one of our batters. Gibbons has been going lefty/lefty righty/righty in the 8th and 9th innings.

^^^

 

Ozzie needs to grow up. I start to wonder what he thinks he's doing other than digging his own grave. The team is loaded with "grinders," and players Ozzie loves, but we aren't winning anyway. If it weren't for an awful start by the Tigers, the Sox would really be in big trouble.

[Linnwood]

Who is insulted by this? This is the oldest trick in the book: Ozzie makes a ruckus and the media focuses on him instead of the players.

 

Ozzie is doing exactly the right thing.

[knightni]

Who is insulted by this? This is the oldest trick in the book: Ozzie makes a ruckus and the media focuses on him instead of the players.

 

Ozzie is doing exactly the right thing.

 

I'M NOT INSULTED.

 

I am bothered by the fact that instead of fixing the problems, the Sox are allowing the manager to belittle the fan base. The same fan base that helps writes their checks.

[WCSox]

In this day and age of political correctness, how many representatives of organizations talk like that in public?

 

Coaches and managers of sports teams in Chicago. Chicago fans tend to like mavericks who throw political correctness to the side and say exactly what's on their mind. Just look at how Ditka was revered.

 

I am bothered by the fact that instead of fixing the problems, the Sox are allowing the manager to belittle the fan base. The same fan base that helps writes their checks.

 

Ozzie's appeared to be ripping the Chicago media a lot more than the Sox season ticket holder in that column.

Edited May 5, 2008 by WCSox

[iamshack]

Maybe I see things differently, but the Chicago media is very soft on the White Sox. Heck, they were absolutely brutal last year, and there was hardly anyone claiming KW or Ozzie should have lost their job. The Cubs are criticized much more heavily. The other day, Piniella received tons of criticism for not replacing Soriano in LF.

 

Does Ozzie really want to get the spotlight on his managerial decisions. He's made some brutal decisions in the last week, starting with the BA squeeze attempt. Gibbons has managed circles around Ozzie this series. How easy can Ozzie make it for him by never have a PH for one of our batters. Gibbons has been going lefty/lefty righty/righty in the 8th and 9th innings.

 

The media is soft on the White Sox because they are the second team in town. Most of the press the team gets is related to Ozzie's rants or Mariotti ripping on Hawk and JR. Imagine how little attention the team would get if we had a manager like Bobby Cox or something.

 

Another reason the media is soft on the White Sox is because they are incredibly inept. This town is filled with more bafoons on the radio, tv, and in print then one could possibly imagine for such a big market. One would think for a handful of guys who do this as their profession, they would know more about the team and the game than many of the posters here on Soxtalk. Unfortunately, this is not the case. That, is unacceptable.

[jasonxctf]

does ozzie honestly believe that 1 World Series Championship will give him and the organization a decade long pass in this town?