Question about yesterday's game

[juddling]

concerning the 'controversial' play with Rios and Cabrera yesterday.....I'm not sure what the rule is but couldn't Rios have been called out for interference???? The fact that Hawk didn't bring it up surprised me a bit then i figured there was some rule I was unaware of that didn't make it interference.

 

Like the thread title goes...i'm sure someone knows the ruling...i'm just curious.

 

 

[elrockinMT]

I think interference must be seen and ruled on as intentional but remeber OC did get the throw to first base in plenty of time so other than the ump not seeing a tag at 2nd base nothing was affected.

[SoxFan562004]

Not sure, but first time I've posted about this call, and I'm not a huge fan of blaming the umps for stuff, but that was an absolutely horrible blown call. I am in agreement with the Hawk that it's not the 2nd base umps fault, there was zero chance of him seeing the tag, but the other umps have to step up and correct it. OC should have never made any other effort to show a tag since the runners knee ran into his mitt with the ball. Awful.

[the People's Champ]

Farmer was complaining about the call at third, in the same inning as well. Said that on the lineout Crede got back to the bag before the runner but the ump still called the runner safe. Anyone see that play? I was surprised that Hawk wasn't saying anything about that play if Farmer was saying it was a blown call.

 

[juddling]

Farmer was complaining about the call at third, in the same inning as well. Said that on the lineout Crede got back to the bag before the runner but the ump still called the runner safe. Anyone see that play? I was surprised that Hawk wasn't saying anything about that play if Farmer was saying it was a blown call.

 

 

I think the ump at third got that call right. Then again...i was able to see instant replay and at full speed it could have gone either way. I'm not too upset about that one but Hawk did bring up a good point about the play at second. When Ozzie came out to argue the call...all the 2B umpire had to do was ask if any of the other umps saw OC make the tag. If none of them saw it then Oz didn't have too much to bi*ch about and he would go away but just for the fact that when Oz went out there and the ump turned and walked away from them without asking the other umpires (Hawk's point) that would have set me off too.

 

Then again...I guess it's too much for the home plate umpire (who HAD to have seen the tag) to tell the crew chief at 2B that the tag was made.

[lostfan]

Farmer was complaining about the call at third, in the same inning as well. Said that on the lineout Crede got back to the bag before the runner but the ump still called the runner safe. Anyone see that play? I was surprised that Hawk wasn't saying anything about that play if Farmer was saying it was a blown call.

It looked to me like the runner got back to the base first before Crede's glove made it back to the bag on his dive, or at the very least got there at the same moment as Crede. In any case if it was the incorrect call (I think it was correct) it wasn't so blatant so as to blame the ump for ruining it.

[Controlled Chaos]

Farmer was complaining about the call at third, in the same inning as well. Said that on the lineout Crede got back to the bag before the runner but the ump still called the runner safe. Anyone see that play? I was surprised that Hawk wasn't saying anything about that play if Farmer was saying it was a blown call.

I thought that was pretty much a tie....tough to argue that one

[CanOfCorn]

Then again...I guess it's too much for the home plate umpire (who HAD to have seen the tag) to tell the crew chief at 2B that the tag was made.

 

I don't think any umpire will over-rule a call unless asked. Crew chief or not. So, maybe all three other umps saw the tag, but if the 2B ump doesn't ask, they don't butt in. If he asks, then they speak up. I don't know if that's an official rule or one of those unspoken ones, but I think that's kinda the way it is.

[lostfan]

I think the ump at third got that call right. Then again...i was able to see instant replay and at full speed it could have gone either way. I'm not too upset about that one but Hawk did bring up a good point about the play at second. When Ozzie came out to argue the call...all the 2B umpire had to do was ask if any of the other umps saw OC make the tag. If none of them saw it then Oz didn't have too much to bi*ch about and he would go away but just for the fact that when Oz went out there and the ump turned and walked away from them without asking the other umpires (Hawk's point) that would have set me off too.

 

Then again...I guess it's too much for the home plate umpire (who HAD to have seen the tag) to tell the crew chief at 2B that the tag was made.

I couldn't tell what they were saying obviously, but when Ozzie went out there and the ump was explaining the call to him it looked like he was saying Cabrera's arm/elbow hit the runner and there was no tag made. And from where the ump was standing he was right because Cabrera and the runner's bodies both completely obstructed his view of the tag.

 

As far as not consulting with the home plate umpire that's another story.

[SoxFan562004]

the call at 3rd I had no problem with. There was a ton of dust flying around so it was hard to see on the replay, but I thought his hand got in right before Crede tagged the bag.

[NorthSideSox72]

The lack of collaboration is the real issue in baseball umpiring, it seems to me. The umps keep trying to stop the idea of instant replay, well, the best thing they could do to avoid that is get better at working together. Look at the NFL, they are far better about it. The umpiring in MLB is just way too individualistic. On that blown call with O-Cab, one of the other umps (one of them must have seen it) needs to step forward and say they saw something different.

 

[southsideirish71]

I am still upset about the home run that was called foul a few years ago in Baltimore. When Sleepy Manuel stayed tucked in the dugout. It wasn't even close. The only way you called that ball foul, is if you are blind or are betting on the game, or the rules flipped and it was bizzaro baseball.

 

 

 

[lostfan]

The lack of collaboration is the real issue in baseball umpiring, it seems to me. The umps keep trying to stop the idea of instant replay, well, the best thing they could do to avoid that is get better at working together. Look at the NFL, they are far better about it. The umpiring in MLB is just way too individualistic. On that blown call with O-Cab, one of the other umps (one of them must have seen it) needs to step forward and say they saw something different.

NFL officiating is much better than MLB umpiring and they can and will overturn calls/mistakes, but IMO it still leaves much to be desired.

[Dick Allen]

I am still upset about the home run that was called foul a few years ago in Baltimore. When Sleepy Manuel stayed tucked in the dugout. It wasn't even close. The only way you called that ball foul, is if you are blind or are betting on the game, or the rules flipped and it was bizzaro baseball.

From ESPN:

 

After Konerko singled in the fifth, Joe Crede hit a drive into the left-field seats that third base umpire Eric Cooper ruled foul -- a call that drew an argument from Manuel.

 

Don't listen to Hawk. Manuel argued. He just didn't get tossed. Evidently, getting tossed would have made a world of difference according to Hawk.

Edited May 5, 2008 by Dick Allen

[Chet Lemon]

Don't listen to Hawk. Manuel argued. He just didn't get tossed. Evidently, getting tossed would have made a world of difference according to Hawk.

 

Hawk was a great General Manager, therefore any subsequent managerial advice given by him must be correct.

 

 

 

[elrockinMT]

Farmer was complaining about the call at third, in the same inning as well. Said that on the lineout Crede got back to the bag before the runner but the ump still called the runner safe. Anyone see that play? I was surprised that Hawk wasn't saying anything about that play if Farmer was saying it was a blown call.

 

The play was close, but the WGN replay seemed to indicate the runner was safe. There was plenty of complaining about that play at 2B though

[elrockinMT]

Hawk was a great General Manager, therefore any subsequent managerial advice given by him must be correct.

 

yes, he was And you can say that again

[Texsox]

Hawk was a great General Manager, therefore any subsequent managerial advice given by him must be correct.

 

I give Hawk a lot of credit for realizing that the GM thing was not his bag and getting out.

[RockRaines]

The lack of collaboration is the real issue in baseball umpiring, it seems to me. The umps keep trying to stop the idea of instant replay, well, the best thing they could do to avoid that is get better at working together. Look at the NFL, they are far better about it. The umpiring in MLB is just way too individualistic. On that blown call with O-Cab, one of the other umps (one of them must have seen it) needs to step forward and say they saw something different.

Officiating in baseball is 90 percent judgment calls based on each individuals personal view and opinion on the game. Is there anything less concrete in sports than a strike zone?

[NorthSideSox72]

Officiating in baseball is 90 percent judgment calls based on each individuals personal view and opinion on the game. Is there anything less concrete in sports than a strike zone?

I would never want replays or collaboration for balls and strikes. This sort of thing however, I think replays or collaboration are definitely called for.

 

[southsideirish71]

From ESPN:

 

After Konerko singled in the fifth, Joe Crede hit a drive into the left-field seats that third base umpire Eric Cooper ruled foul -- a call that drew an argument from Manuel.

 

Don't listen to Hawk. Manuel argued. He just didn't get tossed. Evidently, getting tossed would have made a world of difference according to Hawk.

 

I watched the game Dick. He came out of the dugout, asked a question then paraded back to the dugout. It was an argument in the same nature that Baines gets into an argument.

 

 

 

 

 

[the People's Champ]

I would never want replays or collaboration for balls and strikes. This sort of thing however, I think replays or collaboration are definitely called for.

NO REPLAYS WHATSOEVER!!! I don't care how many games we lose to bogus calls replays are ridiculous. Here's an idea GET BETTER UMPIRES, or hold them accountable for their blown calls. I never recall this many bulls**t call before these scab umpires came into the league. Ever since the umps held out, or whatever they did, and all got booted, thats when things went down hill. It's a conspiracy.

[NorthSideSox72]

NO REPLAYS WHATSOEVER!!! I don't care how many games we lose to bogus calls replays are ridiculous. Here's an idea GET BETTER UMPIRES, or hold them accountable for their blown calls. I never recall this many bulls**t call before these scab umpires came into the league. Ever since the umps held out, or whatever they did, and all got booted, thats when things went down hill. It's a conspiracy.

Yowza. Passionate on the subject I see.